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McCain in '08
"Orval Fairbairn" wrote Actually, I have followed it. Naming the "Keating Five" does not stray from the topic. Any further discussion of them IS irrelevant. The thread really ought to be on rec.aviation.misc, rather than in piloting. What we need is a new group. Call it rec.aviation.politics. From the amount of interest in discussing politics in THIS group, it ought to be a big hit! g -- Jim in NC |
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McCain in '08
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:04:15 -0400, Owen Hiller
wrote in :: You are the man who brought up "Keating Five" in the thread. Yes. I provided an excerpt of a news article that indicated that McCain (the topic of this message thread) was a member of the Keating Five. To overlook that while assessing McCain's character would be an error of omission. Don't you agree? Follow your own advice first before you dictate to others. I'm not dictating anything to anyone. I just pointed out, that to discuss the other four members of the Keating Five would not shed any more light on McCain's character. It seems several readers are having some difficulty comprehending the concept of on-topic discussion. Of course, we are all free to post as we please and suffer the consequences of those article we post; that's the egalitarian nature of Usenet. |
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Proposal For A New Rec.Aviation Newsgroup. (WAS: McCain in '08)
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:16:15 -0400, "Morgans"
wrote in :: What we need is a new group. Call it rec.aviation.politics. From the amount of interest in discussing politics in THIS group, it ought to be a big hit! I'll second that. I'd like to see a Experimental Aircraft Association newsgroup too. |
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Proposal For A New Rec.Aviation Newsgroup. (WAS: McCain in '08)
("Larry Dighera" wrote)
I'll second that. I'd like to see a Experimental Aircraft Association newsgroup too. What's wrong with rec.aviation.homebuilt as an outlet for EAA questions? Montblack |
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McCain in '08
"Montblack" wrote in message ... I don't for a second admire that he was a POW. It wasn't his choice. He didn't want to be one. Having been raised by a POW and seen the long-term effects of what subhumans did to him, there's nothing about his experience to admire. One can only respect them and remember to give thanks. If you would, come back at this again, maybe even from head on, but do, please, take another swing at this. It's an interesting thought, and perspective. I was raised by a former POW who was shot down and then tortured by the Gestapo because his dogtags were missing and he "looked German"; imprisoned at Stalag XVII-B and later left to die at KZ Mauthausen. I admire him for his courage, having served as an aerial gunner. I certainly don't admire his experience as a POW; he would have thought such a thing crazy. Having said that, the lessons one learns from the experience of such a parent are both difficult to articulate and impossible to forget. Just a reader trying to sort out: the experience, choice, the man, give thanks, respect, and admire. I honor the integrity and strength of character that made him who he was in spite of the happened to him, but I cannot "admire" his experience because I would never want to see men, women and children stripped naked and machine gunned into mass graves or shredded alive by SS dogs, nor would I want to see my name on the wall at Andersonville. Whatever strength it might bring to my character simply wouldn't be worth it. Hope that makes more sense. If he were to have entered the political arena, we might have disagreed bitterly on some issues, but I would never have attempted to devalue his wartime courage or service to this country. This is what I perceive to be happening to decorated veterans by politicians for political purposes. -c |
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"Owen Hiller" wrote in message ... Here's the bottom line. McCain was a POW. He gave many years of his life in service of his country. To attempt to diminish or devalue that for political leverage is absolutely beneath contempt. That's the way it is. Semper Fi. To attempt to use one's past service and sacrifices for today's political leverage does great disservice to EVERYONE who has had sacrifice. To attempt to diminish one's past service and sacrifices for today's political leverage does great disservice to everyone who has had to sacrifice. Here's an example: "A man with a couple of years of active duty and the rest of his 37 year career spent in the Marine Corps Reserve. [Is that somehow a discredit to his character?] A man with one year in Vietnam as a staff intelligence offer. A man who's no more been in combat or is a war hero than I am. Even John Kerry has more combat experience than Jack Murtha." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fnews/1655125/posts For perspective: "In 1959, Murtha, then a captain, took command of the 34th Special Infantry Company, Marine Corps Reserves, in Johnstown. He remained in the Reserves after his discharge from active duty until he volunteered for service in the Vietnam War, serving from 1966 to 1967, serving as a battalion staff officer (S-2 Intelligence Section), receiving the Bronze Star with Valor device, two Purple Hearts and the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry. He retired from the Reserves as a colonel in 1990, receiving the Navy Distinguished Service Medal." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murtha#...litary_service |
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McCain in '08
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message news:JCdtg.7776 I remember some of the attacks on Kerry, but not the others. But do you remember any by "the right"? I remember the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, but they weren't a right wing group, their message wasn't political at all. Ah, right. Just happened to organize and go public during an election year, specifically for the purpose of discrediting, gee, a presidential candidate. Yeah, uh, nothing "political at all." Yeesh. -c |
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Proposal For A New Rec.Aviation Newsgroup. (WAS: McCain in '08)
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:31:31 -0500, "Montblack"
wrote in :: What's wrong with rec.aviation.homebuilt as an outlet for EAA questions? It fails to address all the other EAA activities: Sport Pilot, Air Venture, ... |
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McCain in '08
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote But do you remember any by "the right"? I remember the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, but they weren't a right wing group, their message wasn't political at all. Humm, that is an interesting take. Who else would be attacking Kerry, if not the right? And to say it isn't political, is, wellll...g -- Jim in NC |
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Proposal For A New Rec.Aviation Newsgroup. (WAS: McCain in '08)
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:31:31 -0500, "Montblack"
wrote: ("Larry Dighera" wrote) I'll second that. I'd like to see a Experimental Aircraft Association newsgroup too. What's wrong with rec.aviation.homebuilt as an outlet for EAA questions? And alt.rant for the politics? Don |
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