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Old July 19th 09, 05:32 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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After searching the literature the closest thing to what we (my
brother and I) want to build is called the "Aqua-Glider" which is made
mostly out of wood. I thought we might copy the design but substitute
materials. For the fuselage and tail we would use fibreglass/foam
sandwich construction. Welded aircraft tubing for the tail section of
the fuselage (my brother has a TIG welder). Having a tubular after
body section (fuselage section behind the step) is a concern since
usually on takeoff that section is the last to touch the water and
also what one lands on, I've never seen a flying boat without one.

For the wing I was planning on using a built up wing with sheet
aluminium ribs with a wooded solid plywood or box spar. I was also
thinking about using an aluminium tube spar rather than a wood spar
but was unsure about how to connect it to the ribs? If one had a very
soft Al one might be able to form a circular flange that the tube spar
could slip into which could then be glued. Another way might be to
attach a piece of wood to the rib (both with holes though them) and
then glue the wood to the tube spar. Is their a better way to attach
Al ribs to an Al tube spar?

I know typically 2 or 3 layers of fibreglass are used for each side of
the fuselage with .5"/10mm foam sandwiched in-between. I couldn't find
a plan or information on using fibreglass sandwich construction for
the hull of a flying boat as most seem to use moulded fibreglass
construction or wood covered with fibreglass. Any ideas on the number
of layers required?

After reading a book about gliders and the high lift airfoils that the
Germans used in the 20s and 30s and since takeoff and flight speeds
are similar to the German gliders (around 25mph) I think I should
probably use a high lift airfoil. Although the NACA4412 airfoil and
thicker variations are very common on flying boats, I think most of
them used flaps especially with the thicker airfoils. I want to build
a simple wing without flaps. Since the following airfoils may be too
aggressive and are done at a bit too high a Reynolds number (2.5
million compared to 1 million): http://www.kaiyipboxing.com/WIG/INDEX.HTM,
does anyone have any suggestions on good airfoils to use or are some
of those okay to use?

I was also considering a Parasol type design for added stability. This
would allow the usage of a lower shoulder for the fuselage and rather
than mounting the engine in pusher configuration on the shoulder, the
engine could be mounted onto the wing. The problem with the parasol is
that I couldn't find any design for a parasol flying boat. I may have
to buy multiple plans and try to combine the two. Also since the wing
is so high, rather than tip floats I'll probably have to put
outriggers on the sides of fuselage. Does anyone know of any plans
that I could use/combine for this type of design?

Brock
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Old July 19th 09, 06:31 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
Morgans[_2_]
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"durabol" wrote

After searching the literature the closest thing to what we (my
brother and I) want to build is called the "Aqua-Glider" which is made
mostly out of wood. I thought we might copy the design but substitute
materials.


The last thing I want to do is to squash your dream, or to be mean. I have to
be concerned with your plans from what questions you asked.

I would respectfully ask if you should be planning to change a design. If you
have to ask some of these questions, especially since some of the questions are
very basic, you are not ready to take on redesigning. You should either build
the plan as it is drawn, or spend a few more years learning before you start
building.
--
Jim in NC

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Old July 19th 09, 09:28 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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Morgans wrote:

"durabol" wrote

After searching the literature the closest thing to what we (my
brother and I) want to build is called the "Aqua-Glider" which is made
mostly out of wood. I thought we might copy the design but substitute
materials.


The last thing I want to do is to squash your dream, or to be mean. I
have to be concerned with your plans from what questions you asked.

I would respectfully ask if you should be planning to change a design.
If you have to ask some of these questions, especially since some of the
questions are very basic, you are not ready to take on redesigning. You
should either build the plan as it is drawn, or spend a few more years
learning before you start building.



What Morg said...
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Old July 19th 09, 03:28 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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On Jul 19, 12:32 am, durabol wrote:
After searching the literature the closest thing to what we (my
brother and I) want to build is called the "Aqua-Glider" which is made
mostly out of wood. I thought we might copy the design but substitute
materials.


I have a complete collection of the articles concerning the
Aqua-0Glider, and a set of images concerning the extremely soimilar
"Lawrence Glider" of about 1930. Send me a private note and I will e-
mail this information to you directly.

I was also considering a Parasol type design for added stability.


If you do that, you're not building Aqua-Glider. If you insist on
changing a design that works, I suggest you build a model of your idea
and fly that for a complete summer. Keep records of every change you
make, and take movies of all the tests.


Mike
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Old July 21st 09, 03:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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My question is why would you want an Aqua glider? You can't do much
with it besides tow it along behind a boat at low altitude. There are
so many other gliders that can soar for hours and miles. For boat
towing you might as well get a parasail.

 




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