Hurricane relief

"Martin Levac" wrote in message
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"john smith" wrote in message
I would expect someone with any modicom of resoursefullness to
improvise
with whatever is at hand to overcome their situation without depending
on
outside agencies. I look at the news media images and see all kinds of
useful material just lying or floating around.
Solar stills
Solar cookers
Shelter
Maybe it's because I can read, was a Boy Scout, have a good mechanical
aptitude, and have self confidence, that I feel so self reiliant.

Steve S wrote:
So if you were born poor, can't read, don't have the skills to purify
water
(which I, a college graduate, don't have. Do you just boil it?) you
should
just die. What happens when one of those desparate poor people with
no
skills sees you with your home made purified water? Do they just look
at
you with puppy dog eyes and wish they had the skills to make some?
And
when
they ask you to share some you'll tell them too bad, you should have
learned
to make your own. Then they just sigh and say, you're right John, I
shall
just lay down and perish now.
No they'll shoot you and take your water because that is a skill they
do
know. However if support is sent to help those trying to help
themselves
they won't have to resort to primative tactics of survival and some
semblence of civil order may be attainable.

First, you tell them what materials they need to gather.
Second, you show them how to construct their own.
Third, if they are stupid enough to shoot you, there will no one teach
them the rest of the things they need to learn to stay alive, will
there?
As another poster pointed out, these people have been condition to
socialism and having their needs provided for them without any effort on
their part. How many examples of this have we seen on television and
heard on the radio this week? Countless!
As you so aptly pointed out in your last sentence, they are uncivilized
to begin with. Were they civilized, they would already understand the
necessity of order and structure to survive.

That's what I thought: You expect a ****ing miracle. Your intelligence
fails
you.

"First, you tell them what materials they need to gather"

Potable water, emergency medical services, dry clothing, shelter to get
out
of the sunlight, emergency transport, readily consumable food rations,
etc.
During several days following the passage of the hurricane, none of the
above was readily available in the immediate vicinity hence the need for
outside assistance.

It was and is all available in nearly unlimited quantities. What do you
think was in all the stores they were looting? Chances are they destroyed
what they really needed to get to the Nikes and TVs. No shelter, you have
got to be kidding. Food, tons of it was available. They would have had
access to emergency medical treatment except they attempted to hijack
ambulances and loot hospitals. There were a number of resourceful people
that managed to get out. The second and third generation welfare people are
the ones sitting around crying for government help. Not that the local,
state and federal governments didn't screw up big time. They were nearly a
week late in responding.

"Martin Levac" wrote in message
During several days following the passage of the hurricane, none of the
above was readily available in the immediate vicinity hence the need for
outside assistance.

I can tell you where you can find tens of gallons of potable water
available in probably any part of the city, right now, that has never
been touched in the past week.

john smith wrote:
"Martin Levac" wrote in message
During several days following the passage of the hurricane, none of the
above was readily available in the immediate vicinity hence the need for
outside assistance.

I can tell you where you can find tens of gallons of potable water
available in probably any part of the city, right now, that has never
been touched in the past week.

Don't bet that the hot water heaters haven't been destroyed by collapsing
housing material or contaminated by the toxic waters in the area.

Not to mention that NONE of them have backflow valves on them, and the odds
of floating turds in the tanks are about unity.


Jim



"Blanche Cohen" wrote in message
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Don't bet that the hot water heaters haven't been destroyed by collapsing
housing material or contaminated by the toxic waters in the area.

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(Blanche Cohen) wrote:

Don't bet that the hot water heaters haven't been destroyed by collapsing
housing material or contaminated by the toxic waters in the area.

Would that water be contaminated if the shutoff to the water heater
had been closed (assuming it exists)?

Is shutting off the water at the meter a recommended practice?

(I have no idea - I don't live in or near an area that would see
this kind of flooding).

Thanks

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

Bob Noel wrote:

Would that water be contaminated if the shutoff to the water heater
had been closed (assuming it exists)?

Standard plumbing practice is to install a shutoff valve on the inlet to the
water heater to allow it to be drained. There is usually none on the outlet
line; security there would depend on the integrity of the various faucets in the
house.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

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George Patterson wrote:

Would that water be contaminated if the shutoff to the water heater
had been closed (assuming it exists)?

Standard plumbing practice is to install a shutoff valve on the inlet to the
water heater to allow it to be drained. There is usually none on the outlet
line; security there would depend on the integrity of the various faucets in
the
house.

ah yes, I had forgotten at about that side of the heater.

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Blanche wrote:

You are insensitive and arrogant.

and probably too stupid to listen to you. Thanks for trying.

Yes. It's important--and, often, ultimately effective--to speak out against
evil, even if the direct targets of your speech are unlikely to be
persuaded.

I've never had any illusion about what lurks just beneath the
public-relations veneer of "compassionate conservatism", so I'm not
surprised to see the giddy orgy of self-righteous disparagement here (and
elsewhere) that's being directed against the black underclass in the wake of
the hurricane's devastation; the right wing's ascendancy has led to some
unusually unguarded commentary.

I do hope and expect, though, that as the inhumane victim-blaming cruelty of
the right-wing agenda makes itself more boldly visible, their "let them eat
cake" sentiment toward compatriots in a dire emergency will prove
sufficiently shocking and revolting to most people to create a political
turning point.

--Gary

Gary Drescher wrote:

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Blanche wrote:

You are insensitive and arrogant.

and probably too stupid to listen to you. Thanks for trying.


Yes. It's important--and, often, ultimately effective--to speak out against
evil, even if the direct targets of your speech are unlikely to be
persuaded.

I've never had any illusion about what lurks just beneath the
public-relations veneer of "compassionate conservatism", so I'm not
surprised to see the giddy orgy of self-righteous disparagement here (and
elsewhere) that's being directed against the black underclass in the wake of
the hurricane's devastation; the right wing's ascendancy has led to some
unusually unguarded commentary.

Yes, that is what the liberal media would have you believe and that is
why you mainly see black people on the roofs. It doesn't help the
agenda nearly as much to show a balanced cross section of those in
desparate straits. Just as in Iraq where the mainstream media only
shows you the car bombings and aftermath, but almost never shows you the
kids in schools, the kids in parks built by the military, etc. If you
really believe that what you are seeing on TV from the areas devastated
by Katrina is representative, then I feel very sorry for you as you have
been duped to the highest degree.

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Yes, that is what the liberal media would have you believe and that is why
you mainly see black people on the roofs. It doesn't help the agenda
nearly as much to show a balanced cross section of those in desparate
straits.

Huh? Are you actually not aware that the vast majority of people stranded in
New Orleans are black? You think the journalists are just hiding the
pictures of the white folks when they pan their cameras down the streets or
around the stadium?

--Gary