Rolling a Non Aerobat 150

Matt Whiting wrote:
George Patterson wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote:


But if you simply avoid thunderstorms like you avoid stalls, then you
don't need to worry about any of these techniques, right? :-)


Yep, and that's what I do. VFR all the way.

But where is the challenge there? :-)

well for us non instrument trained pilots there is a sudden effect to
our entering cloud.
This is known as the 'graveyard spiral' and doesn't do a ****load of
good for pilot, pax or airframe

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Matt Whiting wrote:
George Patterson wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote:


But if you simply avoid thunderstorms like you avoid stalls, then you
don't need to worry about any of these techniques, right? :-)


Yep, and that's what I do. VFR all the way.

But where is the challenge there? :-)

well for us non instrument trained pilots there is a sudden effect to
our entering cloud.
This is known as the 'graveyard spiral' and doesn't do a ****load of
good for pilot, pax or airframe

Besides, who wants to fly if you can't see anything. Sounds like an
absolutely horrible waste of time to me.

Dave Stadt wrote:

"george" wrote in message
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Matt Whiting wrote:

George Patterson wrote:


Matt Whiting wrote:


But if you simply avoid thunderstorms like you avoid stalls, then you
don't need to worry about any of these techniques, right? :-)


Yep, and that's what I do. VFR all the way.

But where is the challenge there? :-)


well for us non instrument trained pilots there is a sudden effect to
our entering cloud.
This is known as the 'graveyard spiral' and doesn't do a ****load of
good for pilot, pax or airframe


Besides, who wants to fly if you can't see anything. Sounds like an
absolutely horrible waste of time to me.

Some of us actually like to use our brain. Flying in IMC is a great
exercise of the brain. Also, 3 hours in the clouds in an airplane beats
8 hours in a car in the rain any day! :-)


Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:
Some of us actually like to use our brain. Flying in IMC is a great
exercise of the brain. Also, 3 hours in the clouds in an airplane beats
8 hours in a car in the rain any day! :-)


Or swimming for a month. It takes a long time to swim to the islands.

Frankly, at whatever point you decide to use aviation as a tool rather than just
entertainment, it behooves you to make it reliable. That just isn't possible in
an all-VFR world.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:13:40 GMT, Matt Whiting
wrote in ::

Flying in IMC is a great exercise of the brain.


I once wrote in 1998:

"For me, IFR flight is a lot like playing a game of Chess in the
blind while juggling three balls in the air and maintaining a
running conversation at a noisy cocktail party. You have to
mentally visualize the position of the "pieces" on the "board,"
continually monitor and interpret a myriad of arcane instruments
and make corrections to keep the airplane shinny side up, all
while constantly attempting to pick out the ATC communiques
intended for you from the rest of the "guests'" conversations. To
this add the _stress_ of the consequences of losing the game
(death). (Of course, this analogy fails to consider weather,
turbulence, flight planning, interpreting charts and plates,
tuning radios and OBS settings, equipment failures, ....)

Single-pilot IFR aircraft operation in the ATC system in IMC
without the benefit of Global Positioning Satellite receiver,
auto-pilot, and Active Noise Reduction headset, is probably one of
the most demanding things you will ever do."

Skywise wrote:
"Sport Pilot" wrote in news:1118415441.605435.128770
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Snipola
Not too dificult to be over gross withoug knowing it. Do you think all
passengers know their weight or are honest about it? Do you think the
170 pound per person rule of thumb is very accurate? Do you think the
passengers know the weight of their baggage?

I thought we were talking about private light GA, not commercial airlines.

You never took your friends or their luggage? My wife has never told
me how much she weighs.


But even so, that's even more reason to be sure you don't break the
rules because you have a responsibility to others lives. If someone
wants to bend/break the rules at the risk of their own life, fine, be
a darwin award candidate. We dont' need them in the gene pool. But
don't risk other's lives while you're at it.

As I said anyone could break the rule and not even know it.


The same argument could even apply to light private GA. What if you
crash into someone's house and kill the residents? hmmm???

Better safe than sorry.

Brian
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"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
. ..
Matt Whiting wrote:
Some of us actually like to use our brain. Flying in IMC is a great
exercise of the brain. Also, 3 hours in the clouds in an airplane beats
8 hours in a car in the rain any day! :-)


Or swimming for a month. It takes a long time to swim to the islands.

Frankly, at whatever point you decide to use aviation as a tool rather
than just
entertainment, it behooves you to make it reliable. That just isn't
possible in
an all-VFR world.
--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

I hope to never fall into that trap. Single engine, single pilot IFR in the
clag is not my definition of reliable or desirable transportation. Anything
beyond that means you are mostly a button pushing knob twisting passenger.
Not much brain activity required and horribly boring.

Dave Stadt wrote:
I hope to never fall into that trap. Single engine, single pilot IFR in the
clag is not my definition of reliable or desirable transportation. Anything
beyond that means you are mostly a button pushing knob twisting passenger.
Not much brain activity required and horribly boring.


BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Spoken as a true know-nothing. If there's one thing single
pilot IFR isn't, it's boring. You're not flying in a video game; you're flying
in real weather.

I hate to be harsh but your statements bring it out of me.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
news
Dave Stadt wrote:
I hope to never fall into that trap. Single engine, single pilot IFR in
the
clag is not my definition of reliable or desirable transportation.
Anything
beyond that means you are mostly a button pushing knob twisting
passenger.
Not much brain activity required and horribly boring.


BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Spoken as a true know-nothing. If there's one thing
single
pilot IFR isn't, it's boring. You're not flying in a video game; you're
flying
in real weather.

I hate to be harsh but your statements bring it out of me.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

It works every time....heheheheheh.

Dave Stadt wrote:
"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
. ..

Matt Whiting wrote:

Some of us actually like to use our brain. Flying in IMC is a great
exercise of the brain. Also, 3 hours in the clouds in an airplane beats
8 hours in a car in the rain any day! :-)


Or swimming for a month. It takes a long time to swim to the islands.

Frankly, at whatever point you decide to use aviation as a tool rather

than just

entertainment, it behooves you to make it reliable. That just isn't

possible in

an all-VFR world.
--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN




I hope to never fall into that trap. Single engine, single pilot IFR in the
clag is not my definition of reliable or desirable transportation. Anything
beyond that means you are mostly a button pushing knob twisting passenger.
Not much brain activity required and horribly boring.

It was both reliable and desirable for me for more than 6 years. When I
can own my own airplane again, it'll be the same again. The stats for
IFR flying aren't all that bad for a well-trained pilot in a
well-maintained airplane.

Matt