winter soaring vid

My buddy Ron in his LS-3 and I in my Apis cavorted for a couple of
hours back in the snow covered Cascades on Monday. Here's a link to
the video. The Casio camera has Rather poor video specs, but it works
ok.

Brad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82s9ZGKv-k8

I have this message below and also spoke directly with Achim Winter and also
to Barbara Doerflein form TOST regarding old and new approval documents.
As I have tried to indicate previously and explain some differences between
old and new, USA and EU certificates.
TSO (Technical Standard Order) is a USA approval. not EU.... But the USA and
EU (or FWIW EASA now) have bilateral agreements meaning we accept and they
accept in return each others approvals. The EASA Form one is the approval
document that is essentially the EU version of the US 8130 approval
document.....approved for service or approved for return to service if a
repaired or overhauled part, that "Meets" the approval as indicated on the
form (typically noted on item 12 of the form.
Previous approvals from Germany would have been on the form FAA form one
(now EASA Form one)
confused yet? anyway...simply put the US8130 or EASA Form One are the
equivalent "approval" documents stating that the associated part is an
"approved" part.

Following is from Winter GMBH

tim
Please visit the Wings & Wheels website at www.wingsandwheels.com

""""
Hello Tim,
Since a few weeks there gives problems with the installation of our
instruments with EASA Form 1.
actual 2 incidents, in United States. We don't know why, because our
mechanical instruments incl. certificates
would be installed in gliders all over the world since more than 60 years,
without any permit problems.

In consultation with the German LBA we got following notice:

According to the export procedures of the FAA/LBA implementation procedures
will be accepted the Form 1 as exportcertificate.
The LBA confirmed an agreement with the FAA approved development documents.
Such authorization will be issued
by the "FAA Letter of TSO Design Approval".

Yesterday we contacted the EASA for information about the procedure to
attain the documents.

I hope for a quick progession in this matter. """"



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On Dec 9, 9:28*am, "Tim Mara" wrote:
I have this message below and also spoke directly with Achim Winter and also
to Barbara Doerflein form TOST regarding old and new approval documents.
As I have tried to indicate previously and explain some differences between
old and new, USA and EU certificates.
TSO (Technical Standard Order) is a USA approval. not EU.... But the USA and
EU (or FWIW EASA now) have bilateral agreements meaning we accept and they
accept in return each others approvals. The EASA Form one is the approval
document that is essentially the EU version of the US 8130 approval
document.....approved for service or approved for return to service if a
repaired or overhauled part, that "Meets" the approval as indicated on the
form (typically noted on item 12 of the form.
Previous approvals from Germany would have been on the form FAA form one
(now EASA Form one)
confused yet? anyway...simply put the US8130 or EASA Form One are the
equivalent "approval" documents stating that the associated part is an
"approved" part.

Following is from Winter GMBH

tim
Please visit the Wings & Wheels website atwww.wingsandwheels.com

""""
Hello Tim,
Since a few weeks there gives problems with the installation of our
instruments with EASA Form 1.
actual 2 incidents, in United States. We don't know why, because our
mechanical instruments incl. certificates
would be installed in gliders all over the world since more than 60 years,
without any permit problems.

In consultation with the German LBA we got following notice:

According to the export procedures of the FAA/LBA implementation procedures
will be accepted the Form 1 as exportcertificate.
The LBA confirmed an agreement with the FAA approved development documents.
Such authorization will be issued
by the "FAA Letter of TSO Design Approval".

Yesterday we contacted the EASA for information about the procedure to
attain the documents.

I hope for a quick progession in this matter. """"

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I see nothing in this reply that says whether any Winter altimeter is
approved under ETSO C10b. ETSO-C10b is the European equivalent of
FAA TSO-C10b.

The issue of a Form 1 does not in itself say anything about TSO
compliance.

All that is needed to resolve this is a reference to Winter
specification that claims ETSO-C10b compliance. I have been unable to
find one.

Failing that I think a statement from Winter saying the following
Altimeters ......are ETSO-C10b compliant would settle the matter.

Absent either of those I have to assume my altimeter is not TSO
compliant but that's ok with me because I never thought it was.

Andy