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*********A DEFENCE FOR MXMORAN***********
You are both flying a desk, dumb ass.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Now this is just childish. Most of this group argue that a simmer has NO knowledge whatsoever of what occurs inside a real aircraft because he has never set foot inside that model for which he is 'familiar' with. When evidence is placed in front of you that a REAL 747-400 has an audible alarm on autopilot disengagement you still throw insults back saying 'you are wrong'. Going back to the original comments on whether a novice could land this aircraft on an emergency under guidance this entire video clip clearly shows all that is required. ATC are giving the pilot heading, speed and altitude commands and he is adjusting the MCP. He is NOT flying the aircraft, the autopilot is and with adequate instruction others could adjust the appropriate knobs too as the are ALL on the Mode Control Panel (as clearly demonstrated on this clip). The AP is controlling the throttles and elevator trim etc to maintain the course etc as entered on the MCP. The pilot COULD have done a full autoland on runway 28L as LAND3, Rollout and Flare were all armed and confirmed by the pilot. By switching on the autobrakes the autopilot and autothrottle system would have cut the throttles at 50ft, flared the aircraft and autobraked whilst keeping the aircraft on the centreline without the pilot even touching the controls or manual braking. If you dont believe it go ask a 747-400 captain. Ibby |
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*********A DEFENCE FOR MXMORAN***********
On Mar 9, 8:02*pm, george wrote:
On Mar 10, 8:51*am, Ibby wrote: *It doesnt matter how I know this either via the sim, reading or videos, the simple fact is Boeing have an alarm but because an honest and accurate comment about a 747-400 comes from either MX or myself or millions of other sim users (even real pilots who do both) it means ****all on this group Yup. You finally twigged it. Return at all haste to your 'sim' group and leave we poor real time pilots to wallow in reality. So George why not go ask a REAL 747-400 pilot to confirm all that has been said here and what is 'reality'. A 747-400 HAS an alarm, plain simple, to argue against that you're bloody stupid. Even if I wasn't a simmer I know a real one has it on it's systems |
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*********A DEFENCE FOR MXMORAN***********
You are really stuck on this warning bell thing. Have you had your hearing tested lately? Because that is one issue you lot said directly to myself was a LIE. You lot made out that EVERYTHING we say is utter CRAP. I originally questioned how I couldn't understand how the russian pilot failed to notice the AP being switched off as I know from both the sim and videos on real flightdecks that the Boeing 747 and 737's have them but according to you lot THEY DONT because the 'desk pilot' says so. But do I get an educated response saying 'well as we are only GA pilots and also haven't physically flown a 747 you may be correct but this particular Russian model didnt have an alarm' we just get a childish 'f@=k you' Ibby |
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*********A DEFENCE FOR MXMORAN***********
You grow up dumb ass. Just exactly like MX, in your ignorance and inexperience you missed the whole point. So how can someone who HAS physically controlled a real aircraft (me) be compared to MX who HASN'T controlled a real aircraft???????????? The Sim isn't perfect but it DOES teach (especially with commercial addons) elements of flight and navigation. It helped me understand what was required on my first flight in a Cessna 152. Infact the REAL aircraft was EASIER to roll, pitch and trim than the sim. If my comments are so stupid about landing an airliner then YOU describe to ME the process involved in doing so!! Why do airports have ILS's, why do they have DME etc, for navigation and automated flight. Why does the FMC have a full SID STAR database if the pilot was just going to hand fly them based on his charts? Do commercial airlines use the autopilot - yes they do from 500ft after takeoff to potential touchdown. An airline pilot would NEVER hand fly an entire route from takeoff, cruise to landing as per your assumptions. Doing so WOULD be very difficult and I'd freely give credit to a pilot that could do it but they use all systems available to ease their workload - FACT. Ask a REAL airline pilot, not a GA pilot. Infact ask them too, if you have an autopilot on your aircraft - DO you use it and why do you use it if not to make the flight easier? You hardly use it 'for the challenge' Ibby |
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*********A DEFENCE FOR MXMORAN***********
Relevance? (we're (you *were) talking autolands, not approaches or even cruise flight). -- Duncan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This all stems from earlier posts here on whether a NOVICE pilot during an emergency could control an aircraft and successfully land it. The aircraft on this video did have an assigned STAR but has been vectored to intercept the ILS localiser. The P.I.C. is NOT flying the 747, he is simply adjusting the MCP knobs and switches on the glareshield During an emergency a novice could do the exact same under the guidance of ATC. With autoland enabled and a certified runway he wouldnt have to touch the yoke or throttle at all. Other pilots here believe an airliner MUST be handflown on finals just because their automation systems do not offer the same capablilities of the 747-400. Yes some carriers request pilots to disengage the autopilot and autothottle system on final and hand fly the remaining 500 feet descent but it doesn't have to be done |
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*********A DEFENCE FOR MXMORAN***********
On Mar 9, 12:50*pm, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote:
"Ibby" wrote in message news:02f02df5-278d-42e2-b0ee- What a moron. Go back to the sim group gamer. Maxwell What aircraft do you personally fly?????????????? Does it have an autopilot??????????????? Can it capture an ILS Localiser????????????? Can it capture an ILS Glideslope and maintain a constant descent rate??????????????? Can it control your throttle/thrust to maintain a set airspeed???????????????????????????????? I would assume it can't if it's a GA aircraft which means you manually fly on finals just like I would expect to do in a similar sized plane. Can a 747-400, 737NG, 767 do all the above - YES THEY CAN. This has nothing to do with simming. They DO have these automated facilities and they ARE bloody used. How the hell is stating that they do use these systems be 'moronic' - if they are NOT used then WHY HAVE THEM at the majority of controlled airports????????? Ibby |
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*********A DEFENCE FOR MXMORAN***********
george writes:
Return at all haste to your 'sim' group and leave we poor real time pilots to wallow in reality. Since the behavior of the sim matches the behavior of the real aircraft, what reality is lacking in simulation? |
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NOT IGNORANCE BUT REALITY - REAL AUTOPILOT DISCONNECT WARNING ALARM 4min 58secs on Video
On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:20:20 -0700 (PDT), Ibby
wrote: So you admit your ignorance on the matter of autopilot disconnect. In other words, your wonderful simulator is inadequate. Sorry 'bout that little boy. I will post this again as it's NOT ignorance, it is REALITY. Watch this clip - A REAL CLIP ON A REAL BOEING 747-400 NOT A GAME 4min 58 seconds the autopilot is disconnected by the pilot via a button on his control column. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl-TW...eature=channel This group is pathetic, I was going to try give you guys a chance but you lot argue against ANYTHING depending on the source of the comment. I'm sure most of you have experience in general aviation but are there any real commercial pilots on here that will back your arguements, not against the good or bad aspects of a sim but back your comments about what you lot believe happens on a real commercial flightdeck Do you not understand that increasing the volume of alarms or tweaking operating modes of autoflight systems after an accident caused wouldn't be unusual? |
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*********A DEFENCE FOR MXMORAN***********
Ibby writes:
So how can someone who HAS physically controlled a real aircraft (me) be compared to MX who HASN'T controlled a real aircraft???????????? We both fail to kowtow before the treehouse club, and to the club members, that's all that matters. Welcome to USENET. If you must take sides, at least be sure to choose your friends carefully. |
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*********A DEFENCE FOR MXMORAN***********
On Mar 9, 4:53*pm, Ibby wrote:
Relevance? (we're (you *were) talking autolands, not approaches or even cruise flight). -- Duncan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This all stems from earlier posts here on whether a NOVICE pilot during an emergency could control an aircraft and successfully land it. The aircraft on this video did have an assigned STAR but has been vectored to intercept the ILS localiser. *The P.I.C. is NOT flying the 747, he is simply adjusting the MCP knobs and switches on the glareshield During an emergency a novice could do the exact same under the guidance of ATC. *With autoland enabled and a certified runway he wouldnt have to touch the yoke or throttle at all. Other pilots here believe an airliner MUST be handflown on finals just because their automation systems do not offer the same capablilities of the 747-400. *Yes some carriers request pilots to disengage the autopilot and autothottle system on final and hand fly the remaining 500 feet descent but it doesn't have to be done I watched the real time adjustments during the approach, and have serious doubts that someone alone in the cockpit with over the radio instuctions could in fact do what the crew did, even if that person had sim experience. In the world of psychology studies regarding open- loop instruction systems have shown them to be very error prone. It would take someone very good at giving blinded verbal instructions to pull it off. Read what happened in something I just posted about an F18 pilot being given instructions on bringing his bird home in San Diego -- hardly inexperienced, and yet the result was a deadly crash. The claim being made here is someone with zero real experience would fare better. I'd not bet on that. The good news is, there are no bets to be made. It's an experiment not being done. |
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