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Political Head warmers..rectal cavities
i know Im new to this pilot thing but these politicians are out of control.
Do they have to investigate everything?? I mean I have heard of finding a job for your buddy but these commissions on every damn thing that happens is getting out of control... I thought for sure WE hired them to do this sorta thing.... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2004Jul7.html "Plane That Caused Capitol Evacuation Nearly Shot Down" |
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Do they have to investigate everything??
Better investigate the scare that had 'em all running out of the capitol than let rumor and folk tales inflate the story to a real terrorist attempt. After investigation, the controllers who dropped the ball about passing on word of the nonfunctioning transponder were clearly at the root of the problem. |
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"StellaStar" wrote in message
After investigation, the controllers who dropped the ball about passing on word of the nonfunctioning transponder were clearly at the root of the problem. I beg to differ. The controllers were operating under what used to be standard operating procedure - and still is SOP in most of the airspace in this country. Even if you accept the necessity of the ADIZ (and I'm not at all suggesting that I do), our tax dollars built a coordination facility for this type of situation (the KY governor's faulty xponder) and it failed. Whoever designed it apparently didn't link its radar display to the FAA's computer system in a way that allowed the coordination facility to see what the controllers see. Why is it that the controllers are the root of the problem? The root of the problem, IMO, is the ADIZ/FRZ and the seemingly ever-changing security requirements in the DC area. See definition of P-40. See also restrictions unilaterally - and temporarily - placed on pattern work in the ADIZ as a result of the KY governor issue. Oh, and instead of simply fixing the radar data link, a NOTAM has been issued (4/5555 ZDC) prohibiting flight within the ADIZ without a functioning transponder. Period. I'm just waiting to hear what happens to a commercial flight that has a similar problem: "Captain here, folks. Sorry to let you know, but even though we've started our descent into [Dulles, National, BWI], we've had to divert and land in [Philly, Richmond] because we've had an electrical glitch. We'll get it squared away and have you on your way in no time." OK, so I went on a rant. My apologies, but I'm a bit frustrated after talking about this situation with aviation-ignorant members of the public today. I was able to persuade the couple of folks I talked to that the ADIZ/FRZ isn't a reasonable solution, but I still have 289.9 million more to go - especially those on Capitol Hill... -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415 ____________________ |
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John T wrote:
"Captain here, folks. Sorry to let you know, but even though we've started our descent into [Dulles, National, BWI], we've had to divert and land in [Philly, Richmond] because we've had an electrical glitch. We'll get it squared away and have you on your way in no time." Isn't there some password requirement for one of the DC airports? I recall reading here (which naturally means that it must be true {8^) that some pilots have been diverted after getting the password wrong; there's no second try permitted. That too must make for an interesting announcement. OK, so I went on a rant. My apologies, but I'm a bit frustrated after talking about this situation with aviation-ignorant members of the public today. I was able to persuade the couple of folks I talked to that the ADIZ/FRZ isn't a reasonable solution, but I still have 289.9 million more to go - especially those on Capitol Hill... The problem is that people can come to the conclusion "every little bit helps". That is, they can be easily convinced that the ADIZ is next to useless. But they still see no reason to not have it. What's not made clear to people are the costs. - Andrew |
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"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
online.com... Isn't there some password requirement for one of the DC airports? I recall reading here (which naturally means that it must be true {8^) that some pilots have been diverted after getting the password wrong; there's no second try permitted. Something that's read out over the radio? Paul |
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"Paul Sengupta" wrote in message ... "Andrew Gideon" wrote in message online.com... Isn't there some password requirement for one of the DC airports? I recall reading here (which naturally means that it must be true {8^) that some pilots have been diverted after getting the password wrong; there's no second try permitted. Something that's read out over the radio? Possibly. It could be like the military authentication codes. |
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Paul Sengupta wrote:
"Andrew Gideon" wrote: pilots have been diverted after getting the password wrong; there's no second try permitted. Something that's read out over the radio? Could be: but if it were it would probably be a one-time use code for that particular flight. No problem. -- Jack "Cave ab homine unius libri" |
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Jack wrote:
Paul Sengupta wrote: "Andrew Gideon" wrote: pilots have been diverted after getting the password wrong; there's no second try permitted. Something that's read out over the radio? Could be: but if it were it would probably be a one-time use code for that particular flight. No problem. My recollection of this is that it wasn't a single-use code but a code that was valid for some window (ie. a day or an hour). Of course, my recollection could be completely wrong (even to the idea that there's a password at all {8^), but this sounds a lot more TSA-ish than a single-use code. Remember: these are the same people that don't even sync up with ATC when tracking an aircraft with a failed mode C, but that just scare everyone into the streets. - Andrew |
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Andrew Gideon wrote:
My recollection of this is that it wasn't a single-use code but a code that was valid for some window (ie. a day or an hour). I'll wait for a more detailed explanation from a currently active professional pilot about the mechanics of this process, which it is highly unlikely any are about to share on Usenet. Either way I think we have little to worry about from this particular aspect of the security program, other than it being a PITA for those who have to deal with it every day. -- Jack "Cave ab homine unius libri" |
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Jack wrote:
Andrew Gideon wrote: My recollection of this is that it wasn't a single-use code but a code that was valid for some window (ie. a day or an hour). I'll wait for a more detailed explanation from a currently active professional pilot about the mechanics of this process, which it is highly unlikely any are about to share on Usenet. Ah. I'd not thought to search for this until just now... http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...¬Found=true Since National's reopening last month, flight crews landing at National have had to provide a secret code to help air traffic controllers verify that the flight has not been hijacked. ... Shumann said several planes have been diverted to Dulles since Oct. 4 for "failures to authenticate." This is pretty aged, though. I've no idea if the policy is still in place. - Andrew |
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