Twin take off on one engine?

On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:47:43 -0700 (PDT), Mike Granby wrote:

So you could disable it and placard it inop?

Sure, just put a big ole trash bag over it and write "inoperative" on it.

LOL
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Dallas wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:47:43 -0700 (PDT), Mike Granby wrote:

So you could disable it and placard it inop?

Sure, just put a big ole trash bag over it and write "inoperative" on it.

LOL

I noticed that neither prop was feathered and that the landing gear was
down -- not a healthy condition for single-engine operation!

How was one engine inop? did it not pass mag check? did he lose it
during takeoff roll?

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On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 00:23:11 -0500, Dallas wrote in
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... the sketchy details are he
http://www.brantford.com/news.cfm?pa...articleId=4997

I'd say he's going to need at least a couple of new engine mounts.

And some touch-up paint. :-O

Another source says the engine quit on takeoff:

http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/Art...aspx?e=1713744

http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/Art...aspx?e=1715485

"The Transportation Safety Board is investigating the cause of a
plane crash near the Brantford Airport in which a pilot was
lucky to walk away with only minor injuries.

"TSB investigators completed Tuesday their inspection of the
crash scene in a corn field just off a runway at the airport,
where a twin-engine Piper Aztec crashed at about 5 p. m.
the evening before, then turned to other parts of the investigation.

"The plane, flown by an unidentifi ed 50-year-old male pilot,
had just left the runway when one engine seized for an
unknown reason. The aircraft struck a pine tree, then
crashed in a cornfield at the western border of the
airport territory."

Marty
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"Dallas" wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:47:43 -0700 (PDT), Mike Granby wrote:

So you could disable it and placard it inop?

Sure, just put a big ole trash bag over it and write "inoperative" on it.

LOL

Chuckle
If you really want to "disable" it, you could always pour some concrete into
the spark plug holes. That would also solve any windmilling problems, too.
ggg
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On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 11:01:32 -0400, Orval Fairbairn wrote:

How was one engine inop? did it not pass mag check? did he lose it
during takeoff roll?

Check further down this thread and you'll see that looks like another case
of the usual clueless aviation reporting.

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Morgans wrote:

"Dallas" wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:47:43 -0700 (PDT), Mike Granby wrote:

So you could disable it and placard it inop?

Sure, just put a big ole trash bag over it and write "inoperative" on it.

LOL

Chuckle
If you really want to "disable" it, you could always pour some concrete
into the spark plug holes. That would also solve any windmilling
problems, too. ggg

I hear that a gallon of sodium silicate ("Waterglass") is the preferred
fluid - at least for clunker refunds.... the engine runs for 10 seconds
to several minutes - then seizes.

Brian W

On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:40:51 -0400, Peter Dohm wrote:

then the questions would center on the preflight calculations
regaerding density altitude, gradient, distance to obstacles,


If you Google Earth CYFD you'll see it's 98% farmland, except off RWY 11
about 3,000 feet, there's looks to be a small stand of pine trees.

This is still a weird crash... Why couldn't he continue his take off with
one engine and 3,000 feet?... Why couldn't he bank a little to the left
and avoid the trees in favor of some pretty nice uncultivated farmland?

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On Aug 31, 11:35*am, Clark wrote:
Robert Moore wrote 85.247:

Clark wrote

Considering a 747 has been fairied on one engine

I doubt that very seriously. You probably meant to say "with one
engine inop". BTW, it's called "ferried", past tense of "ferry".

Doubt it all you like. Your doubt won't change the fact that it occurred. The
aircraft was grounded at some eastern Europe airport with three dead engines
and it turned out to be feasible and cheaper to fly the plane to maintenance
rather than bring the maintenance to the plane. I believe it was written up
in Flying magazine.

Sorry you don't get the joke of a single engine operative 747 imitating a
fairy.



I imagine that under the right circumstances a twin might legally
depart on one engine.

If the FAA would issue a "Ferry Permit", also doubtful.

Let's see here now. It's happened in the past and somehow it's doubtful that
it'll happen again. Hmmm, can't agree with you there.



Bob Moore
ATP B-707, B-727
CFI ASEL-IA

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According to the data I can find, the 747 can't climb on one engine so
how can it take off?
Cheers

On Sep 3, 3:47*pm, Clark wrote:
"Flaps_50!" wrote in news:d7b4faf4-4167-46cd-8692-
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According to the data I can find, the 747 can't climb on one engine so
how can it take off?
Cheers

Hmmm, empty weight is about 360,000 lbs plus a little fuel and 50,000 lbs of
thrust. It aught to work. I suspect your data are in error or perhaps you're
considering a loaded 747.

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Yeah, but how *long* would the runway have to be assuming ideal
conditions of say 68 F at sea level and head wind of 20mph? Its not
just the weight, it's the rolling resistance of the mains as well.
What's the longest runway in the world? (Edwards, Groom Lake,
Bonneville salt flats notwithstanding).

I googled the heck out of it and could not find any thing single
engine take off of a 747.

On Sep 3, 3:47*pm, Clark wrote:
"Flaps_50!" wrote in news:d7b4faf4-4167-46cd-8692-
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According to the data I can find, the 747 can't climb on one engine so
how can it take off?
Cheers

Hmmm, empty weight is about 360,000 lbs plus a little fuel and 50,000 lbs of
thrust. It aught to work. I suspect your data are in error or perhaps you're
considering a loaded 747.

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Here's some good relevent reading:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ead.main/69428