Interesting thread

At 15:19 11 June 2019, Dan Marotta wrote:
How does one get caught using an unauthorized radio frequency?Â*
Are they
scanning "all" 8.33khz frequencies?Â* How would they do that?


On 6/11/2019 8:25 AM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 7:15:06 AM UTC-7, Paul T wrote:
At 13:38 11 June 2019, ProfJ wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 June 2019 00:15:05 UTC-6, Paul T wrote:
https://uras.gliderpilot.net/?op=s2&id=59967&vt=
The title of this thread really distinguishes it from all the
other
threads
in this newsgroup.

sorry -forgot some people not able to access this UK
newsgroup.
Basically Steve Jones (2x world champ) posted under the title:
Sebastian
Kawa caught cheating

As Kawa and other Polish pilots were caught cheating at a
recent
Grand Prix in Spain, should they get a lifetime ban?
No they should not get a lifetime ban! But I could see a DNF for
unauthorized radio use as it is blatant cheating, disrespectful to
the
other competitors, the organization, his sponsors and his
reputation. Kawa
is the best racing pilot the world has seen, not sure why he would
put
winning above his exhausted reputation. He has nothing to prove.

--
Dan, 5J


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No they should not get a lifetime ban! But I could see a DNF for unauthorized radio use as it is blatant cheating, disrespectful to the other competitors, the organization, his sponsors and his reputation. Kawa is the best racing pilot the world has seen, not sure why he would put winning above his exhausted reputation. He has nothing to prove.

Disappointing, but not surprising. The small penalty probably reflects an unspoken acknowledgment that the practice of team communication is widespread in GP.

There are enough different ways to communicate electronically these days that it ought to be easy to do it and avoid detection. This suggests that the Polish team really did not care if they got caught.

Ehhhh....for all most of us know....drunken crew member blurted something out after a day of flying...

My feeling, part of issue in USA contests.....we don't allow team flying, but almost ANY other "world type" contest allows this.....as well as other Nationals....
Thus, our peeps don't legally get to practice UNTIL they show up in the world scene.

Should we change the US rules? Not sure.
Should we change the worlds rules? Not sure.

Just commenting on what I know of basic rules from US vs. most other countries/levels...

I think someone must have heard/reported the radio transmissions during the flight because during the live commentary of the race Brian Spreckley commented that there would be penalties assessed after the finish that could change the race outcome. Since he wouldn't have had the flight logs at that point to determine start or airspace penalties, it's a pretty good bet that he already knew about the radio chatter.

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 3:31:55 PM UTC-5, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
Ehhhh....for all most of us know....drunken crew member blurted something out after a day of flying...

Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote on 6/11/2019 1:31 PM:
My feeling, part of issue in USA contests.....we don't allow team flying, but almost ANY other "world type" contest allows this.....as well as other Nationals....
Thus, our peeps don't legally get to practice UNTIL they show up in the world scene.

My understanding is "world type" contests go way beyond what most US folks think
of as "team flying"; ie, pilot to pilot while on the task. At "World type" events,
there is also pilot to/from crew, and crew members that spread out along the task
area with Flarm receivers and communicate with the base support people back at the
airport. It's a big operation, with the base people conveying weather, other team
pilots location, their climb rates, and strategic advice to the team pilots.

Do our (US) pilots want to fly like that? Would it attract (or keep) more people
in soaring? If the answers are "no", we should do what we do, and figure out some
other way (besides our contests) to train pilots for World events.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Dec 2014a" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm

http://soaringsafety.org/prevention/...anes-2014A.pdf

On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 11:15:05 PM UTC-7, Paul T wrote:
https://uras.gliderpilot.net/?op=s2&id=59967&vt=

The big thing I learned from the URAS thread is that there are professional glider pilots. Somewhere. Probably in a country with de-comodified healthcare.

--Bob K.

I think we should get closer to FAI rules for FAI classes if we want to field winning teams. But there's no penalty for turning the radio off.

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 12:55:17 PM UTC-6, WB wrote:

No they should not get a lifetime ban! But I could see a DNF for unauthorized radio use as it is blatant cheating, disrespectful to the other competitors, the organization, his sponsors and his reputation. Kawa is the best racing pilot the world has seen, not sure why he would put winning above his exhausted reputation. He has nothing to prove.

Disappointing, but not surprising. The small penalty probably reflects an unspoken acknowledgment that the practice of team communication is widespread in GP.

There are enough different ways to communicate electronically these days that it ought to be easy to do it and avoid detection. This suggests that the Polish team really did not care if they got caught.

I'm not sure I'd call this a "small penalty". This 300 seconds (5 minute) penalty, took him from 2nd place to 8th place. He would have beat Tilo by 1 second. It wouldn't have (and didn't) affect the overall outcome any, but would have made a significant difference to his standings on that final race.

Eric, FAI SGP rules and ethos are different to those of the FAI WGC.

I agree with you, John!