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Most Challenging Instrument Approaches in Western US?
I am curious to hear this group's thoughts on the most challenging
instrument approaches in the Western US. Perhaps this not the best way to phrase the question, because I am planning a trip with a fellow instrument student and our instructor around the Western US this winter, similar to those organized by outfits such as IFR West. So, I am looking for challenging approaches that will be a good learning opportunity for the instrument student. I fly in the Bay Area, so I'm no stranger to ATC. We will probably do the trip in an all-glass SR-20, so no ADF. I consider "Western US" to be anything where radio stations begin with a "K" Thanks in advance for your suggestions, -angus |
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Good question, but there are no challenging approaches in the WORLD.
We have our instrument rating. There comes a time when approaches are approaches. Some are higher workload than others, but none are "challenging." Yes, I've been to Aspen. I've been to Hong Kong. I've been to Taipei. Been there done that, and it's just a normal approach with some special issues. Lynne Angus Davis wrote in message ... I am curious to hear this group's thoughts on the most challenging instrument approaches in the Western US. Perhaps this not the best way to phrase the question, because I am planning a trip with a fellow instrument student and our instructor around the Western US this winter, similar to those organized by outfits such as IFR West. So, I am looking for challenging approaches that will be a good learning opportunity for the instrument student. I fly in the Bay Area, so I'm no stranger to ATC. We will probably do the trip in an all-glass SR-20, so no ADF. I consider "Western US" to be anything where radio stations begin with a "K" Thanks in advance for your suggestions, -angus |
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Lynne Miller wrote:
Good question, but there are no challenging approaches in the WORLD. We have our instrument rating. There comes a time when approaches are approaches. Some are higher workload than others, but none are "challenging." Yes, I've been to Aspen. I've been to Hong Kong. I've been to Taipei. Been there done that, and it's just a normal approach with some special issues. Lynne, I am glad to hear your opinion that challenging instrument approaches do not exist. Given your extensive experience, perhaps you could expand on your reply by noting those approaches you've flown over the years that would yield the greatest learning opportunity for instrument students. Thanks, -angus |
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"Lynne Miller" wrote:
Yes, I've been to Aspen. I've been to Hong Kong. I've been to Taipei. Been there done that, and it's just a normal approach with some special issues. Compulsive liar. |
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(Peter Gibbons) wrote
(Lynne Miller) wrote Yes, I've been to Aspen. I've been to Hong Kong. I've been to Taipei. Been there done that, and it's just a normal approach with some special issues. Lynne - What exactly are your credentials (hours/ratings/etc)? Everything.......:-) Copied from Google for your amusement. From: Lynne Miller ) Subject: Throw out that checklist Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student Date: 2003-06-19 11:56:52 PST How many of you actually use a checklist? The method I use when I fly (Cessna Citation VII) is a flow check. If you have a good flowcheck for the various phases of flight, I feel a checklist is not necessary. I am curious what others do? ------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Miller ) Subject: Almost ready to tattoo Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart Date: 2002-03-10 19:35:26 PST Hello .. I am 21 years old and have thought about tattoos (and been fascinated by them) since I was 13. I am finally ready to get one, and I have some ideas of the "topic" of the tattoo I want, but no idea what it is I want. I figure I'll wait six months or so once I get the exact picture I want to be sure that is what I want on me forever. Any advice for me on how to proceed? ------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Miller ) Subject: Palo Alto 3, Reid Hillview 0 Newsgroups: rec.aviation.ifr Date: 2001-08-08 09:13:21 PST I am not going to argue with you. But, I can just tell you this. I bought N550B (the airplane) from Jim Lafferty last year so I could use the tail number on my airplane. (550-0941) ------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Miller ) Subject: Got my wings Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student Date: 2001-05-29 08:25:51 PST I passed my PVT checkride last night!!! Pretty much the "standard" ride. 1.5 oral, 1.2 flight time. I did the best I'd ever done. I got a tattoo of wings on my ankle last night to celebrate. :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynne Miller ) Subject: AST-300 Newsgroups: rec.aviation.ifr Date: 2003-08-20 07:32:43 PST Yes, I am familiar with the PTS. During my ATP checkride, I used a checklist after my flowcheck. I use a checklist during 299 rides, etc. after the flowcheck but in the real world, I don't use a checklist. ------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Robert Moore wrote in message .7...
(Peter Gibbons) wrote (Lynne Miller) wrote Yes, I've been to Aspen. I've been to Hong Kong. I've been to Taipei. Been there done that, and it's just a normal approach with some special issues. Lynne - What exactly are your credentials (hours/ratings/etc)? Everything.......:-) Copied from Google for your amusement. snip Thanks Robert - I actually found alot of that myself. Just wanted to see if he'd set himself up again |
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If you fly in the SF Bay Area, you're probably already familiar with the
Monterey LOC DME 28L approach. It has several step downs and a some important terrain issues. This is an approach where the safety pilot/instructor should have the pilot remove the hood a couple of times to see the consequences of making a mistake. 1. If you're getting vectors to final, just before interception take a look at the terrain ahead to see where you'd be going if you didn't receive a clearance to intercept and just kept flying through the locallizer on the vector heading. 2. As you reach the minimum altitude for each stopdown, take a look outside to your left. I'll bet you've never seen terrain and houses so close before. After seeing where the terrain is on final, I added 500' to the minimum step-down altitudes for this approach... Mick Ruthven "Angus Davis" wrote in message ... I am curious to hear this group's thoughts on the most challenging instrument approaches in the Western US. Perhaps this not the best way to phrase the question, because I am planning a trip with a fellow instrument student and our instructor around the Western US this winter, similar to those organized by outfits such as IFR West. So, I am looking for challenging approaches that will be a good learning opportunity for the instrument student. I fly in the Bay Area, so I'm no stranger to ATC. We will probably do the trip in an all-glass SR-20, so no ADF. I consider "Western US" to be anything where radio stations begin with a "K" Thanks in advance for your suggestions, -angus |
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The answers so far seem to define challenging as "greatest risk if you mess
up". That's a fair definition but if you go by difficulty of execution then the NDB to Siskiyou County, CA, (SIY iirc) looks like fun. I've never flown it but it involves a substantial dogleg at the NDB (particularly good if there's a crosswind) as well as a death-defying descent rate on final. John "Angus Davis" wrote in message ... I am curious to hear this group's thoughts on the most challenging instrument approaches in the Western US. Perhaps this not the best way to phrase the question, because I am planning a trip with a fellow instrument student and our instructor around the Western US this winter, similar to those organized by outfits such as IFR West. So, I am looking for challenging approaches that will be a good learning opportunity for the instrument student. I fly in the Bay Area, so I'm no stranger to ATC. We will probably do the trip in an all-glass SR-20, so no ADF. I consider "Western US" to be anything where radio stations begin with a "K" Thanks in advance for your suggestions, -angus |
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John Harper wrote:
The answers so far seem to define challenging as "greatest risk if you mess up". That's a fair definition but if you go by difficulty of execution then the NDB to Siskiyou County, CA, (SIY iirc) looks like fun. I've never flown it but it involves a substantial dogleg at the NDB (particularly good if there's a crosswind) as well as a death-defying descent rate on final. Juneau, Alaska is no "bowl of peaches" either. A fellow controller was riding jumpseat on a 727 a number of years ago on a flight from Anchorage to Seattle with intermediate stop at Juneau. The pilot was enthused that this would be his first flight into Juneau with VFR conditions. There is a rather large dogleg to turn final and a hill just slides under as you are, or just before, making the dogleg. The Captain said that was the LAST time he wanted to make the approach to Juneau in VFR conditions. Lou. |
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