If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#111
|
|||
|
|||
UNITED AIR LINES TO LAY OFF 950 PILOTS
Andy Hawkins wrote in
: Hi, In article , Bertie the wrote: Me too, she was the best thing to happen to the UK since the V2. Oh I dunno. What about the four day week? Well, it was probably an imprivement on the 2 days a week the kids recovering from alchohol poisoning are working now. bertie |
#112
|
|||
|
|||
UNITED AIR LINES TO LAY OFF 950 PILOTS
Hi,
In article , Bertie the wrote: Well, it was probably an imprivement on the 2 days a week the kids recovering from alchohol poisoning are working now. Nah, they don't need to work. There's enough government hand-outs to pay for the next 2 litre bottle of White Lightning. Failing that, there'll be an old lady around the corner any minute. Andy |
#113
|
|||
|
|||
UNITED AIR LINES TO LAY OFF 950 PILOTS
Andy Hawkins wrote in
: Hi, In article , Bertie the wrote: Well, it was probably an imprivement on the 2 days a week the kids recovering from alchohol poisoning are working now. Nah, they don't need to work. There's enough government hand-outs to pay for the next 2 litre bottle of White Lightning. As it should be. Failing that, there'll be an old lady around the corner any minute. OK, you lost me now. Bertie |
#114
|
|||
|
|||
UNITED AIR LINES TO LAY OFF 950 PILOTS
Hi,
In article , Bertie the wrote: OK, you lost me now. What better source of cash than some old dear walking home with her pension money? Andy |
#115
|
|||
|
|||
UNITED AIR LINES TO LAY OFF 950 PILOTS
Andy Hawkins wrote in
: Hi, In article , Bertie the wrote: OK, you lost me now. What better source of cash than some old dear walking home with her pension money? Ah, OK. Well, flying *is* expensive there. Bertie |
#116
|
|||
|
|||
UNITED AIR LINES TO LAY OFF 950 PILOTS
Andy Hawkins wrote in
: Hi, In article , Bertie the wrote: OK, you lost me now. What better source of cash than some old dear walking home with her pension money? Best watch out for these, though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygy7UDADXDg Bertie |
#117
|
|||
|
|||
UNITED AIR LINES TO LAY OFF 950 PILOTS
Hi,
In article , Bertie the wrote: Ah, OK. Well, flying *is* expensive there. It sure is... Andy |
#118
|
|||
|
|||
UNITED AIR LINES TO LAY OFF 950 PILOTS
On Jun 28, 9:40*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Robert M. Gary writes: Its wonderful to hear the opinion of people who have no idea how economics and market financing works. Futures are key to the financial stability of the industry. If you can't sell futures you don't know what price you are guaranteed and you can't finance anything. Futures contracts are somethin you can take to the bank. Futures, like virtually all speculation based on worthless paper, are a form of legalized gambling. Of course that it totally false. If you don't sell the future when it comes due you'll find your yard full of oil barrels. Now your broker may help ensure that doesn't happen but you are getting a real, legal contract to purchase commodities. Its like signing an agreement to purchase a house. 30 days later after the escrow closes you can't walk away and say "oh, it was just paper". A contract is tangible. -Robert |
#119
|
|||
|
|||
UNITED AIR LINES TO LAY OFF 950 PILOTS
Recently, Nomen Nescio posted:
From: gatt 100% agreement! But, I don't think it's the line workers, the welders, electricians, circuit board builders, etc that decided to send manufacturing overseas. It was the business types. Right now, there are over 200 available jobs for trained machinists. If you're talking nationwide, that's not very impressive. Another way to look at it is that, out of the 200,000 or so trained machinists that lost their jobs to outsourcing over the last few years (more than that in our region alone, so I'm not being all that sarcastic), not even 1% of them are willing to take those "available jobs". It says more about the nature of those jobs than the workers. One machine shop owner, who I know, had NO interest in outsourcing. After having to turn down a LOT of work, it started to look better. Since you are in agreement with gatt that outsourcing was the decision of "the business types", a simple "yes" would have sufficed. Hey, man, I know my way around Little Wing and wasted my vote on Perot too. Oh, YOU were the other one. Nope. that was me (I know my way around Little Wing, too). Well, the VOTE sure isn't working! What's your suggestion? Stop electing people who take money from special interests. I hate to sound like Lou Dobbs here, but it's time to flush the toilet. Nice idea. Ain't gonna happen. It can happen if the public gets the will to make it happen. And, that seems to be happening, or it wouldn't be a plank in the platform of all the available choices this year. Maybe we need to define "oil speculator". I define is as "someone who is not purchasing oil for their own use, but only to profit from market fluctuations" You could, I suppose, say that ALL energy users who are trying to buy, at the best price, are "speculators". But I refer to them a "shoppers". There is no need to lump these two together, AFAICT. Those trying to buy at the best price for their own use are not buying in the same quantities as the speculators, and are also buying after the market price per barrel has been set. Speculators are clearly influencing the price of oil. Neil |
#120
|
|||
|
|||
UNITED AIR LINES TO LAY OFF 950 PILOTS
Recently, Nomen Nescio posted:
From: "Neil Gould" Right now, there are over 200 available jobs for trained machinists. If you're talking nationwide, that's not very impressive. Another way to look at it is that, out of the 200,000 or so trained machinists that lost their jobs to outsourcing over the last few years (more than that in our region alone, so I'm not being all that sarcastic), not even 1% of them are willing to take those "available jobs". It says more about the nature of those jobs than the workers. I should have added "In my immediate area". I owned a machine shop (sold it and retired 10 yrs ago). Even then, it was nearly impossible to find skilled machinists. Especially in the area of precision aerospace (our specialty). It's even worse now since the younger generation isn't going into the machining field. I put together a good crew, but it took a lot of work and none of them were under age 35. Precision aerospace is atypical of machine shops, so it is no surprise that you had a limited selection of "skilled machinists" to choose from. I worked my way through engineering school in the 60s as an inspector of jet engine and rocket motor parts, and even then most of the machinists were over 35. I'd say it's the nature of that kind of work, because in other area shops the machinists were quite young, a good number of them right out of high school. Don't get me started on the nature of the American worker. My opinion would not be considered very flattering. I do get that sense from you. ;-) Since you are in agreement with gatt that outsourcing was the decision of "the business types", a simple "yes" would have sufficed. I was pointing out that there is a difference between "need" and "want". Well, I think that people make such decisions based on their perception of need, and often a 3rd party would interpret those decisions as instead based on want. And, they'd often be right. Regarding getting away from government controlled by special interests, I said: It can happen if the public gets the will to make it happen. And, that seems to be happening, or it wouldn't be a plank in the platform of all the available choices this year. To repeat myself. Nice idea. Ain't gonna happen. It won't be an instantaneous change, but I don't think we have a lot of options to continue on that path. So, we'll see. There is no need to lump these two together, AFAICT. Those trying to buy at the best price for their own use are not buying in the same quantities as the speculators, Actually, the end user is buying in EXACTLY the same quantities as the speculators. Then, I'm unclear as to what you mean either by "end user" or "the same quantities". I've never bought a barrel of oil in my life, and likely never will, but I do look for the best price I can get when I buy gas. and are also buying after the market price per barrel has been set. Nope. The end user IS setting the market price. The "speculators" would be standing on the street with a tin cup within a month if the end user just said "No, I'm not buying at that price". Different issue. The speculators would just lose their bet, and possibly their shirt. But, when I buy gas, the price I have to pay is already in response to the price of a barrel of oil, even though the fuel in the station's tank is the same as it was the day before. Whether or not I make that purchase doesn't matter in the short term. So, once again, I don't know who you think "end users" are, but I think I qualify as one. Speculators are clearly influencing the price of oil. Clearly, they influence the price. Both up and down. But it has NO effect on the AVERAGE price. That's supply and demand. That's a different statement, and over a longer period (say a year or two), I'd agree. But, what has been going on since the beginning of the year is not driven by supply and demand, as there is no shortage of supply and the demand has steadily dropped. Every holiday this year has seen a lower-than average number of autos travelling on the road. Don't get me started on the nature of the ralationship between oil companies and the ties to government. It wouldn't be flattering. Neil |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Power Lines.. | Dan | Piloting | 16 | August 22nd 06 06:15 PM |
JOHN CHIPMAN OWNER OF CHIPMAN RELOCATIONS UNITED VAN LINES MAYFLOWER CATON MOVING & STORAGE likes to make many harassing/harassment phone calls | are we having fun yet we | Piloting | 3 | April 11th 06 01:36 PM |
LINDA WEST of Chipman Moving & Storage/CHIPMAN UNITED VAN LINES likes to commit Fraud & Forgery likes to commit Fraud & Forgery | capaliwoda | Piloting | 0 | October 13th 05 04:08 PM |
BEWARE OF Linda West (925) 876-7441 of CHIPMAN UNITED VAN LINES/Caton Mayflower Moving & Storage | paupering | Soaring | 0 | October 10th 05 07:54 AM |