"Rolling" to ATC

Paul,

United xxy: United xxy, rolling, turn to 225


And that phrase as the correct answer to a take-off clearance cna be
found where in the AIM or the PC/G? It's idiot-speak, pure and simple.
Just because an airline captain says it, doesn't make it better.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Doug,

Very nice! ;-)

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

G. Sylvester writes:

"Theodore 2501, cleared for takeoff, 225. Rolling on a river." It's
better to turn to that heading after you get off the ground unless the
actual direction of the runway is 225. ;-)

I have often heard "upon leaving the runway" or "when airborne" to
remove ambiguity, although I don't think too many pilots would turn to
225 while still on the ground.

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Thomas Borchert writes:

And that phrase as the correct answer to a take-off clearance cna be
found where in the AIM or the PC/G? It's idiot-speak, pure and simple.
Just because an airline captain says it, doesn't make it better.

There is no "correct answer." Phraseology is suggested, not required.
ATC is held to a much tighter standard in this respect, but the
objective of radio communication is to communicate, not to prove that
one has read the manual. The degree to which one can safely deviate
from guidelines and still maintain or enhance communicate becomes more
apparent with experience, which is something that most airline
captains have in abundance.

However, if you ever hear a captain say the "wrong" thing on the
radio, you can certainly call over an FA and insist that she
communicate your displeasure to him, and perhaps he'll look at the
book before he hits the PTT button next time. Most airline captains
are eager to win the approval of low-time GA pilots back in the cabin,
and will even instruct their crews to actively seek out the counsel of
these experts to bring back to the cockpit.

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"Viperdoc" wrote in message
et...
Are you sure you don't mean trolling?


Shoots and SCORES!!!!

In a previous article, "Allan9" said:
You've got the word
Make like a bird
Al

Man in the tower,
this is the man in the bird
I'm ready to go,
just give me the word.

Man in the bird,
this is the man in the tower
you talk funny
your delay's an hour.

- Rod Machado.

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Could you stop changing your email address willy-nilly, so my killfile
can spare me from your erudition and wit?
-- Alan Shutko

Under what conditions, when playing with Microsoft Flight Simulator, if any,
would you explicitly tell ATC, when playing with Microsoft Flight Simulator
that you are rolling, when playing with Microsoft Flight Simulator, that is,
actually rolling on the runway for take-off, when playing with Microsoft
Flight Simulator?

I hear this used occasionally, when playing with Microsoft Flight Simulator,
but I don't know if there are any formal circumstances that merit it, when
playing with Microsoft Flight Simulator, or if it is just at pilot
discretion, when playing with Microsoft Flight Simulator, or what. It is
normally independent of the readback of the take-off clearance (which
precedes it), when playing with Microsoft Flight Simulator, although
sometimes I hear "Rolling" without a readback of the clearance, when playing
with Microsoft Flight Simulator.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
G. Sylvester writes:


"Theodore 2501, cleared for takeoff, 225. Rolling on a river." It's
better to turn to that heading after you get off the ground unless the
actual direction of the runway is 225. ;-)


I have often heard "upon leaving the runway" or "when airborne" to
remove ambiguity, although I don't think too many pilots would turn to
225 while still on the ground.


Where have you heard this? I have never, ever heard such nonsense
instructions.

Here is how it would be done professionally:

"United 123 turn left heading 225, cleared for takeoff."

Of it more then one runway is active, such is always the case at places
like ORD and LAX:

"United 123 turn left heading 225, cleared for takeoff Runway 24L."

Professional pilot response,

"United 123 is cleared for takeoff, heading 225." (thee is no published
format for the pilot response, other than it is common practice to
readback clearances and instructions; hold-short instructions must be
read back.)

It is absolutely understood that the turn will not be made on the runway.

You love to make crap up, Mr. Troll.

Mxsmanic wrote:

Thomas Borchert writes:


However, if you ever hear a captain say the "wrong" thing on the
radio, you can certainly call over an FA and insist that she
communicate your displeasure to him, and perhaps he'll look at the
book before he hits the PTT button next time. Most airline captains
are eager to win the approval of low-time GA pilots back in the cabin,
and will even instruct their crews to actively seek out the counsel of
these experts to bring back to the cockpit.

Oh Bull****.

First place, only United Airlines pipes ATC into the cabin. Second, it
is up to the captain and far fewer do it since 911.

Flight attendants are training NOT to take such bull**** from a
passenger to the flight deck.

In a previous article, Sam Spade said:
Mxsmanic wrote:
I have often heard "upon leaving the runway" or "when airborne" to
remove ambiguity, although I don't think too many pilots would turn to
225 while still on the ground.


Where have you heard this? I have never, ever heard such nonsense
instructions.

Well, since he's never talked on a real aviation radio and yet he has the
nerve to correct real pilots, what do you expect? Sure, some of the
controllers on VATSIM are pros, but even the pros know that they're not
going to be accountable to anybody if they're lax or screw something up on
VATSIM.

Here is how it would be done professionally:

"United 123 turn left heading 225, cleared for takeoff."

Of it more then one runway is active, such is always the case at places
like ORD and LAX:

"United 123 turn left heading 225, cleared for takeoff Runway 24L."

Then there is the stunning load of crap in Michael Crichton's "Airframe":

"Tower zero one request clearance for takeoff."
"Cleared runway three contact ground point six three when off the runway."


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