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Idiot Pilot Runs Out of Gas - Lands Cessna on I-81 - CAN'T BECHARGED!!
The state cops could file all kinds of charges -- no plate, no
inspection sticker, blocking traffic, the list goes on and on. All charges are of course optional. The real issue is, what actions will the FAA take. If the fuel exhaustion was an unforced error on the part of the PIC, it should be worth a few square inches of his hide, or his wallet. Is there some rule against stupidity, or do we depend on Darwin to take care of that? |
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Idiot Pilot Runs Out of Gas - Lands Cessna on I-81 - CAN'T BE CHARGED!!
"Tina" wrote in message ... The state cops could file all kinds of charges -- no plate, no inspection sticker, blocking traffic, the list goes on and on. All charges are of course optional. The real issue is, what actions will the FAA take. If the fuel exhaustion was an unforced error on the part of the PIC, it should be worth a few square inches of his hide, or his wallet. Is there some rule against stupidity, or do we depend on Darwin to take care of that? If he ran out of fuel on his first solo, I would think the FAA would be looking for his CFI. |
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Idiot Pilot Runs Out of Gas - Lands Cessna on I-81 - CAN'T BE CHARGED!!
If he ran out of fuel on his first solo, I would think the FAA would be
looking for his CFI. Agree with that. But the student was still pilot in command. Ron Lee |
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Idiot Pilot Runs Out of Gas - Lands Cessna on I-81 - CAN'T BE CHARGED!!
"Ron Lee" wrote in message ... If he ran out of fuel on his first solo, I would think the FAA would be looking for his CFI. Agree with that. But the student was still pilot in command. Indeed. I just had this picture of a CFI jumping out after a couple hour of T&Gs and saying "Ok, it's all yours this time, let's see three good landings". Only to look up a couple minutes later and say "OOOOPPPS". |
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Idiot Pilot Runs Out of Gas - Lands Cessna on I-81 - CAN'T BECHARGED!!
Ron Lee wrote:
If he ran out of fuel on his first solo, I would think the FAA would be looking for his CFI. Agree with that. But the student was still pilot in command. Ron Lee The student was in command, and the lawyers would I'm sure argue that reading to the letter of the law, but make no mistake; there was an instructor failure here, a serious instructor failure. On any first solo, there is, as an integral part of that scenario, a TRANSITION of power as relates to pilot in command. It is incumbent on ANY flight instructor, when making the decision to initiate this transition of control to pass from the instructor to the student, to take all the steps necessary to insure the safety of the student. This includes a complete checking of the condition of the aircraft to insure it is safe and ready to turn over to the student for solo. It might satisfy the FAR's and the law to throw down on this student for running out of fuel on a first solo, but in my opinion, I hope every instructor reading this post will stop for a second and think about professional responsibility and how that relates to an instructor signing off a student for solo and allowing him to do so with inadequate fuel in the tanks to complete the flight. Good instructors NEVER stop thinking about the safety of the student, and in this case, the instructor in my opinion failed miserably to back up and cross check the student's airplane prior to turning the student loose. The bottom line on this incident is that although the FAR's might define PIC, the FAR's fall way short of defining what constitutes professionalism in a flight instructor. -- Dudley Henriques |
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Idiot Pilot Runs Out of Gas - Lands Cessna on I-81 - CAN'T BECHARGED!!
On Apr 3, 8:27*pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
The student was in command, and the lawyers would I'm sure argue that reading to the letter of the law, but make no mistake; there was an instructor failure here, a serious instructor failure. There is not enough evidence here to accuse the instructor. How do you know the instructor didn't do what is required to ensure safety? Just because something bad happens to a student, doesn't mean with 100% certainty that it's the instructor's fault. |
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Idiot Pilot Runs Out of Gas - Lands Cessna on I-81 - CAN'T BECHARGED!!
buttman wrote:
On Apr 3, 8:27 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote: The student was in command, and the lawyers would I'm sure argue that reading to the letter of the law, but make no mistake; there was an instructor failure here, a serious instructor failure. There is not enough evidence here to accuse the instructor. How do you know the instructor didn't do what is required to ensure safety? The fact that the student ran out of fuel after being released for solo by the instructor is the obvious answer to this question for those believing that the instructor had a responsibility to ascertain the aircraft was suitably fueled for the intended solo. There are of course those who might not consider that checking the fuel as adequate for the student was within the professional responsibility of the instructor. Each instructor must form their own opinion on what exactly defines professionalism for them personally. In my opinion, this instructor failed to meet my own definition for professionalism. You of course are free to define the instructor's role in this incident as you see fit. Just because something bad happens to a student, doesn't mean with 100% certainty that it's the instructor's fault. This is a statement that generally can be said to be true, but if presented pertaining to a specific incident or accident involving the instructor/student interface, where harm came to a student, the general assumption might very well have to be withdrawn. -- Dudley Henriques |
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Idiot Pilot Runs Out of Gas - Lands Cessna on I-81 - CAN'T BECHARGED!!
Dudley Henriques wrote:
The student was in command, and the lawyers would I'm sure argue that reading to the letter of the law, but make no mistake; there was an instructor failure here, a serious instructor failure. Seems that, fuel issues notwithstanding, making an interstate landing on a solo flight and walking away from it, the student did a pretty good job keeping his head together and handling the emergency. |
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gatt wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote: The student was in command, and the lawyers would I'm sure argue that reading to the letter of the law, but make no mistake; there was an instructor failure here, a serious instructor failure. Seems that, fuel issues notwithstanding, making an interstate landing on a solo flight and walking away from it, the student did a pretty good job keeping his head together and handling the emergency. If this was the scenario, I would tend to agree with you. There are of course several possibilities involving this "story". Assuming the initial post was relating accurate information, I see it as a mixed bag. It's hard to envision a student not sharp enough to notice his fuel state vs his intended flight; then have that same student have the cool to dead stick his bird on the interstate without dinging it in the process Sort of an "Oh ****" "Atta Boy" scenario all in the same sentence :-)) -- Dudley Henriques |
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Idiot Pilot Runs Out of Gas - Lands Cessna on I-81 - CAN'T BE CHARGED!!
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:41:23 -0500, "Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net
wrote: If he ran out of fuel on his first solo, I would think the FAA would be looking for his CFI. The news report said "first solo", but it also said he was returning from another city. Reporters usually get it wrong on aviation matters... more likely it was his first solo cross country, which is a very different thing. -Dana -- -- If replying by email, please make the obvious changes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: Why is it that New Jersey got all the toxic waste dumps and California got all the lawyers? A: New Jersey had first choice. |
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