pilots only, please - gps or altimeter?

houstondan wrote:

gps(not waas) says nearest airport of any kind is 30 minutes away and
gas-totalizer says the fan stops in 10 minutes.

not mountainous but you ain't in kansas either todo...whatcha gunna
do??

The totalizer is reporting run-time at cruise power. I would throttle
back, lean agressively and fly at best glide + maybe 10 knots (or whatever
would give me best endurance) and contact somebody for help.

"houstondan" wrote in message
oups.com...
rather than hijack a perfectly good arcane science thread; i'll start a
new one 'cause the core question is a darn good one.

hypothetical situation: you're a blue sky vfr flyer and somehow you
wind up in the soup - after having gone 2 hours and 200 miles from your
take-off point , you wake up from a nice little nap and discover you're
inside the milk bottle.

gps(not waas) says nearest airport of any kind is 30 minutes away and
gas-totalizer says the fan stops in 10 minutes.

not mountainous but you ain't in kansas either todo...whatcha gunna
do??

really.

dan

Ten minutes worth of fuel??? Solution: Land an hour ago and refuel.

Not an option? Stand up on the seat and kiss your ass goodbye. After the
cremation, all the other pilots that have to share the sky with you can
breathe a sigh of relief.

Thank you birdog!!!
There is no reason whatsoever a real pilot would/should get into a
situation where there is only 10 mins left worth of fuel. NO matter
what. That is why this is a silly question. But if this was to happen
The declaration of an emergency is required. Have some others help....
period then do as birdog says bendover and kiss your ass goodbye

matt
birdog wrote:
"houstondan" wrote in message
oups.com...
rather than hijack a perfectly good arcane science thread; i'll start a
new one 'cause the core question is a darn good one.

hypothetical situation: you're a blue sky vfr flyer and somehow you
wind up in the soup - after having gone 2 hours and 200 miles from your
take-off point , you wake up from a nice little nap and discover you're
inside the milk bottle.

gps(not waas) says nearest airport of any kind is 30 minutes away and
gas-totalizer says the fan stops in 10 minutes.

not mountainous but you ain't in kansas either todo...whatcha gunna
do??

really.

dan

Ten minutes worth of fuel??? Solution: Land an hour ago and refuel.

Not an option? Stand up on the seat and kiss your ass goodbye. After the
cremation, all the other pilots that have to share the sky with you can
breathe a sigh of relief.

You'd do better by listening to MX on the subect of GPS. He has shown a
greater understanding of GPS than most of the pilots here.

Karl


"houstondan" wrote in message
ups.com...
what part of "pilots only" do you not understand? you have your thread
and your opinion has been heard. now go away. many real pilots will not
participate if you're in the thread and i'm really trying to talk to
them.

dan
Mxsmanic wrote:
houstondan writes:

gps(not waas) says nearest airport of any kind is 30 minutes away and
gas-totalizer says the fan stops in 10 minutes.

GPS is reliable for this type of issue, even without WAAS. Just don't
rely on it to determine your altitude.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

I am trying to understand why Andrew and kontiki are the only two with
the correct answer.

Frankly this would qualify the pilot for the Darwin Award for being
inept. Then look at the GPS moving map/charts for a little used road.
You have no right to jeopardize others on the ground so whatever
landing surface is available that reduces the risk to you and
eliminates risk to others on the ground is what you have to deal with.

Of course other factors play into this.

Ron Lee

....no, karl, that simply is not true and that's why i framed it the way
i have. it really relates to the totality of the systems and conditions
and not just the simple math. look at the responses that pilots are
giving.

can't you see the difference?

ever hear about how, if a pilot makes an air-traffic mistake the pilot
can die but that if an air traffic controller makes an air traffic
mistake...the pilot can die.

there is a qualitative difference between the thoughts of someone
reading a book and someone living it.

once you've heard the tape of a vfr into i.m.c. situation you'll know
what i'm talking about.

dan





dan
karl gruber wrote:
You'd do better by listening to MX on the subect of GPS. He has shown a
greater understanding of GPS than most of the pilots here.

Karl


"houstondan" wrote in message
ups.com...
what part of "pilots only" do you not understand? you have your thread
and your opinion has been heard. now go away. many real pilots will not
participate if you're in the thread and i'm really trying to talk to
them.

dan
Mxsmanic wrote:
houstondan writes:

gps(not waas) says nearest airport of any kind is 30 minutes away and
gas-totalizer says the fan stops in 10 minutes.

GPS is reliable for this type of issue, even without WAAS. Just don't
rely on it to determine your altitude.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

"houstondan" wrote in message
oups.com...
rather than hijack a perfectly good arcane science thread; i'll start a
new one 'cause the core question is a darn good one.

hypothetical situation: you're a blue sky vfr flyer and somehow you
wind up in the soup - after having gone 2 hours and 200 miles from your
take-off point , you wake up from a nice little nap and discover you're
inside the milk bottle.

gps(not waas) says nearest airport of any kind is 30 minutes away and
gas-totalizer says the fan stops in 10 minutes.

not mountainous but you ain't in kansas either todo...whatcha gunna
do??

really.

dan


Die.

Really.

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

hypothetical situation: you're a blue sky vfr flyer and somehow you
wind up in the soup - after having gone 2 hours and 200 miles from your
take-off point , you wake up from a nice little nap and discover you're
inside the milk bottle.

Head in the direction of the airport, lean as much as possible, start a best
climb speed to gain as much time in the air after the fan stops, then
communicate.

Hope that your altitude is enough to glide to the airport, glide at best glide
speed until close to the ground, then set up for stall plus 5 and wait to come
out of the clouds, or to hit the ground, which ever comes first.
--
Jim in NC

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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houstondan wrote:
rather than hijack a perfectly good arcane science thread; i'll start a
new one 'cause the core question is a darn good one.

hypothetical situation: you're a blue sky vfr flyer and somehow you
wind up in the soup - after having gone 2 hours and 200 miles from your
take-off point , you wake up from a nice little nap and discover you're
inside the milk bottle.

gps(not waas) says nearest airport of any kind is 30 minutes away and
gas-totalizer says the fan stops in 10 minutes.

not mountainous but you ain't in kansas either todo...whatcha gunna
do??

really.

dan

Reduce power to best endurance, call ATC, explain your predicament,

You are a "blue sky vfr pilot". Playing with the radios is only going to
increase the (already overwelming) odds that you will become disorented and
die.

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.