Germany Lost the War... So What?

Wow, how underwhelming it all is. We seem to be able to pound into
submission any puny Third World nation without a significant AF. But
we don't dare strike Iran, N Korea, or China.

Probably because there's no need to, at least yet.

Here's 'underwhelming' for you in that same period of time.

1. US economy - 11 trillion
2. Japanese economy - 4.7 trillion
3. German economy 1.8 trillion
4 and on down - a bunch of smaller economies, including China at 1.3
trillion.


The US may be the lone Superpower on paper but our track record
post-WW2 isn't that great.

Probably because everyone is too scared ****less to screw with us, you
ignorant clue****.

You seem to conveniently be forgetting a basic fact: Germany unleashed a
vicious all-out war machine to win at all costs. The United States has yet
to fight a war without severe political constraints dictating what it can
and cannot do. If the US waged Nazi or Soviet-style war and simply employed
its capacity to lay waste to whatever it chose conventionally we would have
produced the sort of 'victories' you see to prize so greatly. Fortunately,
we don't do that since, unlike you, we're not Nazis.

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Facts arent your strong point are they ?

Korea: stalemate

South Korea was saved from the invading forces of the DPRK
and now a prosperous democracy and ally. Meanwhile the
DPRK moulders in a prison of its own making.

We're talking war and power here. The Chinese human waves forced us
back until we eventually reached the starting point- the 38th
parallel. MacArthur could have defeated them in 1950 if he was allowed
to bomb the Yalu River bridges but was overruled by Washington. Later,
he was sacked. Big mistake.

Cuban Missile Crisis: stalemate

Nope, the Soviet missiles were withdrawn as the US demanded.

Remember the failed "Bay of Pigs" and Washington's agreement with
Moscow to remove US missiles out of Turkey months later?

Bay of Pigs failed because there was no air support by the US. The deal with
the Soviets was moot-ified by the US drawdown of the entire missile class
later, replacing them with weapons like advanced ICBMs ans later Polaris.

Vietnam: LOST
Operation Eagle Claw (Iranian Hostage Rescue): Failure
Lebanon: Marines blown up- failure

True enough

Reagan-Bush years: a string of success shooting down a few Libyan MiGs
and attacking small puny nations with no AF- Victory?

Then there's the little matter of the fall of communism, the
dissolution of the Warsaw Pact and the collapse of the USSR

Which is more due to Soviet citizens standing in line for bread 8 hrs
a day and the forever unattainable 5 year plans they made... not to
mention devoting almost all their resources to defense and the
corruption of the Communist Party elite. Then there was also the KGB
terror and its informer network. The fall was inevitable and without
the USSR the Warsaw Pact was nothing.

Without the West forcing the USSR to spend itself into oblivion, and
supporting people like the rebels in Afghanistan, this would have gone
longer - and that loss of financial and political will on the USSR's point
also saved East Germany, and allowed the reunification. Standing up to
Communism in the Western Hemisphere/Central American helped as well.

Gulf War I: had to raise a coalition to fight another Third World
nation, didn't finish the job which leads to Gulf War II. Kurds and
population suffer as a result.

The war aims of expelling Iraq from Kuwait were achieved

After the nation was brutally raped, robbed, murdered, and
ecologically polluted. Saddam, meanwhile, was untouched and building
more palaces...

Blame the UN, not the US. The UN resolution was only to free Kuwait. If
Saddam had pulled out when asked, the Coalition would not have had reason to
bomb him either. Heck, Saddam killed a lot of Kurds, a lot of Kuwaitis, a
lot of other Iraqis and a lot of Iranians. Eventually the US took your
advice and went all the way to Baghdad, and it was Continental Europe what
gave them hell for it.

The Balkans: another attack on an unworthy adversary. Serbs leave with
their armor and military/police units intact. International force
needed.

The war aims of protecting the Kosovans from Serbian ethnic cleansing
were achieved

Oh please, too little too late. Serb soldiers insulted International
forces as they left Kosovo and threatened ethnic minorities right in
front the peacekeepers.

And now the Albanians kill Serbs and other minorities in front of them. And
the province has become a smuggling center where the vilest crimes go on
under UN supervision, and I suspect a little bit of sanction as well.

Terrorist attack on the USS Cole: failed

Quite so, the ship was repaired and re-entered service

A US Naval warship which should have been adequately protected. Taken
out by a raft of explosives.

Making the mistake of assuming they were making a port visit to a friendly
place. Terrorists often seek such weaknesses instead of fighting "fair." The
US is now camping out and rebuilding in the nation the Al Quaeda and their
buddies used to run.

9/11: could prevent terrorist attack, 3000 fatalities

Biggest disaster of them off and no comment? US the invincible brought
to agony by a few jet liners of terrorists?

Excuse me? Could have prevented? By how? Psychic hotline? Come on, this is
less believable than UFOs at Antartica or whatever.

And yes, killing thousands of people was a horrible thing. Yes a lot of men,
women, and children on planes and in buildings died. It is nothing to be
funny about. But it didn't paralyse the US, it had a different effect.
Personally the day after I wanted to get on an airliner to show we weren't
going to be pushed around, like the Israelis returning to bus stops after
bombings. Pearl Harbor was a sneak attack as well, and this had a similar
effect. People died and were injured horribly, and a nation grieved her
losses. Then went after those who did it. Were it your nation you would do
the same.

Afghanistan: attack on another unworthy adversary. Taliban and Osama
escape into Pakistan. International force needed again. Failure.

Success , Afghanistan is no longer a safe haven for terrorist groups

Are you insane? Try going there and leaving Kabul. The rest of the
nation is in the hands of warlords who shelter terrorists and hate the
US. My buddy is over there right now. He says its the same dirt
******** as ever.

I have a friend over there now as well, sir. He is proud of what they are
doing. They are clearing mines where he is at planted over 10 or so years of
war. Less kids will get blown up because of that. Do you think a nation
blown and beaten apart over 20 plus years will be rebuilt in a day? No. But
there is a beginning of a process there. And that counts for more than any
amount of griping.

Iraq prewar: Fires at US aircraft for 7 years, US retaliates in 1998,
Iraq resumes firing at US aircraft for 4 more years
Gulf War II: US goes it alone, captures Saddam but cannot get real
reconstruction support or troops needed to finish the job due to
isolating UN and certain European nations- failure


The British troops who took Southern Iraq and Basra tend to disagree
about the going it alone bit.

Oh thank God for British token forces whose own weapons and gear are
****. I assume you're British, so don't you read your own papers for
God-save-the-Queen sakes!!! All you guys did was sit in the rear and
deliver humanitarian aid while the US drove downtown to Baghdad.

The battle for Basra was quite bloody. And the UK gets eternal credit from
the US for having our backs.

Wow, how underwhelming it all is. We seem to be able to pound into
submission any puny Third World nation without a significant AF.

Iraq started GW1 with the 4th largest army in the world and
a large AF and air defence system, of course when it was over ....

4th largest army stat doesn't mean ****. They were pathetic fighting
soldiers. The Hitler Youth could have taken them out!!!

Actually, they had fought a ten year war with Iran and wrecked Kuwait
handily. Saudi Arabia was also worried about them enough to call in half the
world to help them stand off against Iraq. They had one of the most advanced
air defense networks in the world, chemical weapons (Proof was in the ones
they blew up after 1991) and a heck of a lot of tanks. Their soldiers had
been in battles and were willing to fight. They had missiled a US ship
previously in a sneak attack with an Exocet. They were quite deadly to be
sure. The Hitler Youth comment is sad.

But
we don't dare strike Iran, N Korea, or China. In fact China openly
threatens the US over Taiwan and is militarily developing systems to
defeat our stealth, satellites, and to attack the US with missiles in
the future. Iran has threatened the US over its nuclear reactor and N
Korea has done the same over its nuclear program which we failed to
stop. BTW, try attacking the FSU even at its weakest... they have
twice the nukes we have and we all know the history of those that
invade Mother Russia. On their turf the US would lose, same in China.

The difference of course is the US knows that, your hero Adolf didnt.

On Russia maybe, but fighting with China in the future is inevitable.

Not really. People used to say that about the USSR. And if China sees more
to gain in peace than war, plus the risks of war, peace is promising.

So I don't care how many time you say Germany lost. Germany is the
size of 1 US state and took on the world. It took everyone with
everything to beat them.

Germany had a larger population than any 10 states combined
and controlled the combined industries of western europe
and couldnt even beat Britain.

I could only wish that the political decision to change direction
eastward would have never come and Sea Lion would have happened. What
would have Britain defended itself with then- the Home Guard with
pitch forks and shotguns?

Against what? Germany had virtually no landing craft. Their doctrine was not
intact and the UK had sea superiority with the Royal Navy. The smarter play
for Germany would have been to have a larger U-Boat force, but they were
behind the building curve on that at the war's start. Hitler had not planned
for a war with Britian and France in 1940.

You should thank God a lone German bomber
ditched its bombs on London and saved your nation. Germany could have
kept fighting and by the winter of 1940 you would have ran out of
pilots and planes- had the Germans not diverted to civilian targets
like London.

The Germans were against the first successful radar-equipped defense system,
and pilots from many nations were flocking to Britain. The German fighters
had very little time over Britain to protect the bombers due to fuel
constraints. Even had the Germans been able to secure some airspace over
southern England, the ability to land troops was not theirs.

Troops they tried to land would have faced stiff defenses, as well. The
Germans, to my knowledge, had no equivalent of the Allied UDTs that cleared
beach obstacles at Normandy. Things like flaming oil slicks, mines, and
obstacles would have been in their way. Plus the aforementioned Royal Navy.
And whatever the RAF had to throw at them.

Keith

Keep dreaming on,
Rob

On Russia maybe, but fighting with China in the future is inevitable.

Hardly. China is dependent on the US, directly and indirectly, for the
majority of its annual growth and over 20% of its entire economy. That's
not going to change much in the future as the two become more and more
intertwined. To even get into a position to battle America in Asia, much
less elsewhere, would require decades of spending the Chinese can't even
afford to build up to, and have no reason to. It won't be smooth sailing,
but China has vastly more reasons to remain friends if not allies with the
United States than to plunge itself back into the middle of last century and
ruin decades of economic building by trying to fight it.

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Nope, the Soviet missiles were withdrawn as the US demanded.

I don't wish to appear to join the loony "good old days of the Reich" side
of this discussion, but the Cuban missile crisis was such a clear-cut US
victory, since Kennedy negotiated the removal of the Russian missiles by
offering to remove his own from Turkey.

That seems to be the latest buzz, but its interesting to note that the
Jupiters in Turkey had been slated in 1961 to be retired in 1963-64, a year
before the missile Crisis.
Quite frankly, the Jupiters weren't good for much, anyway. (Despite
being designed by Wehrner von Braun's team at Redstone Arsenal). The
supposed mobility was worthless, they couldn't be based in a hardened
structure like a coffin or silo, and their reaction time (fuelling &
arming) was so long that they were vulnerable to airplanes from
Bulgaria.

Check out "The Other Missiles of October" if you get the chance.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

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Facts arent your strong point are they ?

Korea: stalemate

South Korea was saved from the invading forces of the DPRK
and now a prosperous democracy and ally. Meanwhile the
DPRK moulders in a prison of its own making.

Cuban Missile Crisis: stalemate

Nope, the Soviet missiles were withdrawn as the US demanded.

And the Jupiters from Turkey as Russia demanded, along with assurances
that US would not invade Cuba. Stalemate.

The Jupiters were out of service everywhere in any case within two years.
They were replaced...the Russian missiles in Cuba were not.

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Facts arent your strong point are they ?

Korea: stalemate

South Korea was saved from the invading forces of the DPRK
and now a prosperous democracy and ally. Meanwhile the
DPRK moulders in a prison of its own making.

We're talking war and power here. The Chinese human waves forced us
back until we eventually reached the starting point- the 38th
parallel.

Which was not the "starting point" for US forces--our troops did not enter
the fray until after the DPRK offensive was already steamrolling its way
down the Peninsula. In the end we maintained the ROK's border--sounds like a
win to me.

MacArthur could have defeated them in 1950 if he was allowed
to bomb the Yalu River bridges but was overruled by Washington.

Bull****. The PLA was quite capable of using improvised bridging (and did do
so).

Later,
he was sacked. Big mistake.

Actually, no, it was one of Truman's better moves. Dougie and his intel
weenies had ignored repeated indications of the intent of the PLA to enter
the conflict, and continued to press forward beyond their support capability
anyway--and his subordinate commanders (Almond, Smith, etc.) were none too
comfortable with the situation.


Cuban Missile Crisis: stalemate

Nope, the Soviet missiles were withdrawn as the US demanded.

Remember the failed "Bay of Pigs" and Washington's agreement with
Moscow to remove US missiles out of Turkey months later?

You mean the missiles we ahd already planned to remove in rather short
order? You ever notice that the Thors that we and the Brits had under joint
control in the UK were also removed a year or so later (and they were not
part of the deal)? Wonder why?

snip


Then there's the little matter of the fall of communism, the
dissolution of the Warsaw Pact and the collapse of the USSR

Which is more due to Soviet citizens standing in line for bread 8 hrs
a day and the forever unattainable 5 year plans they made... not to
mention devoting almost all their resources to defense and the
corruption of the Communist Party elite. Then there was also the KGB
terror and its informer network. The fall was inevitable and without
the USSR the Warsaw Pact was nothing.

And why were those citizens having to stand in line? Why were they not
instead eating French bread and drinking (West) German wine? Becuase the US
and its NATO allies kept them out of Western Europe, and then engaged them
in a nifty little "spending war" that broke their feeble bank. Yup, that's a
win.



Gulf War I: had to raise a coalition to fight another Third World
nation, didn't finish the job which leads to Gulf War II. Kurds and
population suffer as a result.

The war aims of expelling Iraq from Kuwait were achieved

After the nation was brutally raped, robbed, murdered, and
ecologically polluted.

Kind of hard to stop the initial attack without our having forces on the
ground in the region, huh? But as Keith noted, in the end we kicked him back
into his own territory, so...another win.

Saddam, meanwhile, was untouched and building
more palaces...

But his air force and army were sure as hell not "untouched". Made things
quite a bit easier when we went in for round two.


The Balkans: another attack on an unworthy adversary. Serbs leave with
their armor and military/police units intact. International force
needed.

The war aims of protecting the Kosovans from Serbian ethnic cleansing
were achieved

Oh please, too little too late. Serb soldiers insulted International
forces as they left Kosovo and threatened ethnic minorities right in
front the peacekeepers.

Threats they have not been able to carry out. And wouldn't you know it,
Milosevich is out of power, and the current Yugo Serb government is trying
to rebuild relations, right?


Terrorist attack on the USS Cole: failed

Quite so, the ship was repaired and re-entered service

A US Naval warship which should have been adequately protected. Taken
out by a raft of explosives.

Hey, it happens. What your point to this would be is beyond me--it is not as
if, for example, we let bad guys into the Olympic Games to cause all sorts
of mayhem and murder...


9/11: could prevent terrorist attack, 3000 fatalities

Biggest disaster of them off and no comment? US the invincible brought
to agony by a few jet liners of terrorists?

What is there to comment about? It happened--slimy terrorists murdered a lot
of innocent people. Unfortunately, it will not be the last time terrorists
murder people, and no nation on earth can assure the complete safety of its
citizens. The more amazing fact is that someone like you is too dimwitted to
realize that.



Afghanistan: attack on another unworthy adversary. Taliban and Osama
escape into Pakistan. International force needed again. Failure.

Success , Afghanistan is no longer a safe haven for terrorist groups

Are you insane? Try going there and leaving Kabul. The rest of the
nation is in the hands of warlords who shelter terrorists and hate the
US. My buddy is over there right now. He says its the same dirt
******** as ever.

Firstly, one wonders if you actually have any buddies; if you do, it is
likely only because the poor jerk has never read the crap you post in this
NG. Secondly, the fact of the matter is that AQ can not consider Afghanistan
as free parking any longer...not to mention that since we went in there we
have managed to derail subsequent AQ efforts. Much better to keep the little
devils on the run and looking back over their shoulders as opposed to
allowing them free reign to develop their nasty little plots.


Iraq prewar: Fires at US aircraft for 7 years, US retaliates in 1998,
Iraq resumes firing at US aircraft for 4 more years
Gulf War II: US goes it alone, captures Saddam but cannot get real
reconstruction support or troops needed to finish the job due to
isolating UN and certain European nations- failure


The British troops who took Southern Iraq and Basra tend to disagree
about the going it alone bit.

Oh thank God for British token forces

"Token forces"? You must not have ever read the ORBAT, huh?

whose own weapons and gear are
****.

That would be "combat proven ****" to you, mister. Which is more than can be
said for the equipment produced by your favorite nation, huh?

I assume you're British, so don't you read your own papers for
God-save-the-Queen sakes!!! All you guys did was sit in the rear and
deliver humanitarian aid while the US drove downtown to Baghdad.

No, they also took Basra, and their SOF operators ranged throughout the
country, at least according to what Newsweek published.


Wow, how underwhelming it all is. We seem to be able to pound into
submission any puny Third World nation without a significant AF.

Iraq started GW1 with the 4th largest army in the world and
a large AF and air defence system, of course when it was over ....

4th largest army stat doesn't mean ****. They were pathetic fighting
soldiers. The Hitler Youth could have taken them out!!!

Ah! Sieg Heil! Your true colors show once again, you pathetic little Nazi
sycophant/miscreant.


But
we don't dare strike

What is this "we" ****, Kimosabe? You got a turd in your pocket? You make it
amply clear that you don't care for the US and much prefer the "good ol'
days" when hobnailed boots rang out in the kasernes. Tell you what, if the
good folks of this NG got together and started a collection to pay for your
transportation back to Germany, would you take us up on it? Please? Of
course, it appears that the real Germans may not take you in with loving
arms, based upon some of the responses you have garnered from them...

Iran, N Korea, or China. In fact China openly
threatens the US over Taiwan and is militarily developing systems to
defeat our stealth, satellites, and to attack the US with missiles in
the future. Iran has threatened the US over its nuclear reactor and N
Korea has done the same over its nuclear program which we failed to
stop. BTW, try attacking the FSU even at its weakest... they have
twice the nukes we have and we all know the history of those that
invade Mother Russia. On their turf the US would lose, same in China.

The difference of course is the US knows that, your hero Adolf didnt.

On Russia maybe, but fighting with China in the future is inevitable.

So I don't care how many time you say Germany lost. Germany is the
size of 1 US state and took on the world. It took everyone with
everything to beat them.

Germany had a larger population than any 10 states combined
and controlled the combined industries of western europe
and couldnt even beat Britain.

I could only wish that the political decision to change direction
eastward would have never come and Sea Lion would have happened. What
would have Britain defended itself with then- the Home Guard with
pitch forks and shotguns? You should thank God a lone German bomber
ditched its bombs on London and saved your nation. Germany could have
kept fighting and by the winter of 1940 you would have ran out of
pilots and planes- had the Germans not diverted to civilian targets
like London.

To your neverending lament, all of this is but a pipedream conjured up in
your feeble little Nazi loving mind. Normally using the N-word is an automat
ic argument loser in these environs--but in your case, given your obvious
(and repeated) demonstrations of admiration and dedication to the cause, it
is about the only descriptor applicable.

Brooks


Keith

Keep dreaming on,
Rob

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Facts arent your strong point are they ?

Korea: stalemate

South Korea was saved from the invading forces of the DPRK
and now a prosperous democracy and ally. Meanwhile the
DPRK moulders in a prison of its own making.

We're talking war and power here. The Chinese human waves forced us
back until we eventually reached the starting point- the 38th
parallel. MacArthur could have defeated them in 1950 if he was allowed
to bomb the Yalu River bridges but was overruled by Washington. Later,
he was sacked. Big mistake.

The Yalu river isnt quite that formidable

Keith

"t_mark" wrote in message news:LjUYb.27752$Zt4.9307@okepread01...

Wow, how underwhelming it all is. We seem to be able to pound into
submission any puny Third World nation without a significant AF. But
we don't dare strike Iran, N Korea, or China.

Probably because there's no need to, at least yet.

Here's 'underwhelming' for you in that same period of time.

1. US economy - 11 trillion
2. Japanese economy - 4.7 trillion
3. German economy 1.8 trillion
4 and on down - a bunch of smaller economies, including China at 1.3
trillion.

According to the World Almanac 2004:

1. US economy= 10.4 trillion
2. Japanese economy= 3.5 trillion
3. German economy= 2.2 trillion

Notice unfair comparison. US equivalent to EU.

01. Austria= 226 billion
02. Belgium= 298 billion
03. Denmark= 156 billion
04. Finland= 1.5 trillion
05. France= 1.5 trillion
06. Germany= 2.2 trillion
07. Greece= 201 billion
08. Ireland= 119 billion
09. Italy= 1.4 trillion
10. Luxembourg= 20 billion
11. Netherlands= 434 billion
12. Portugal= 182 billion
13. Spain= 828 billion
14. Sweden= 227 billion
15. UK= 1.5 trillion

That's a total of 11.091 trillion, more than the US economy.

The US may be the lone Superpower on paper but our track record
post-WW2 isn't that great.

Probably because everyone is too scared ****less to screw with us, you
ignorant clue****.

Uh, let's see. China ****ed with us over the air collision with their
fighter in 2001 not releasing the crew or plane immediately. China
openly threatens the US with nuclear cruise missiles in the event a
carrier battlegroup ever attempts to block an invasion of Taiwan by
China in the Taiwan Straight (but I guess you don't read the Asian
news, do you?). Iran threatened to shoot down any US or Israeli
aircraft that would attempt to bomb its reactor (but I guesss you
don't read the Mideast news either) and finally N. Korea threatened
all-out war over the US attempting any military attack against its
nuclear weapons program. The US did say it would not tolerate a N
Korean nuclear bomb but they just laughed in our faces and produced 8
more in addition to the 2 they already had. We did nothing and still
do nothing. Furthermore we are moving our troops in S Korea back from
the northern border since we know in the event of war N Korea will
barrage the south with massive artillery and missiles before
attempting to cross with their 1 million man army. Our plans- let the
South Korean soldiers bite it while we sit back further south an await
the order to strike back. Seoul, meanwhile, would be history.
You are the ignorant clue****.

Rob

"t_mark" wrote in message news:LjUYb.27752$Zt4.9307@okepread01...

Wow, how underwhelming it all is. We seem to be able to pound into
submission any puny Third World nation without a significant AF. But
we don't dare strike Iran, N Korea, or China.

Probably because there's no need to, at least yet.

Here's 'underwhelming' for you in that same period of time.

1. US economy - 11 trillion
2. Japanese economy - 4.7 trillion
3. German economy 1.8 trillion
4 and on down - a bunch of smaller economies, including China at 1.3
trillion.

According to the World Almanac 2004:

1. US economy= 10.4 trillion
2. Japanese economy= 3.5 trillion
3. German economy= 2.2 trillion

Notice unfair comparison. US equivalent to EU.

01. Austria= 226 billion
02. Belgium= 298 billion
03. Denmark= 156 billion
04. Finland= 1.5 trillion
05. France= 1.5 trillion
06. Germany= 2.2 trillion
07. Greece= 201 billion
08. Ireland= 119 billion
09. Italy= 1.4 trillion
10. Luxembourg= 20 billion
11. Netherlands= 434 billion
12. Portugal= 182 billion
13. Spain= 828 billion
14. Sweden= 227 billion
15. UK= 1.5 trillion

That's a total of 11.091 trillion, more than the US economy.

The US may be the lone Superpower on paper but our track record
post-WW2 isn't that great.

Probably because everyone is too scared ****less to screw with us, you
ignorant clue****.

Uh, let's see. China ****ed with us over the air collision with their
fighter in 2001 not releasing the crew or plane immediately. China
openly threatens the US with nuclear cruise missiles in the event a
carrier battlegroup ever attempts to block an invasion of Taiwan by
China in the Taiwan Straight (but I guess you don't read the Asian
news, do you?). Iran threatened to shoot down any US or Israeli
aircraft that would attempt to bomb its reactor (but I guesss you
don't read the Mideast news either) and finally N. Korea threatened
all-out war over the US attempting any military attack against its
nuclear weapons program. The US did say it would not tolerate a N
Korean nuclear bomb but they just laughed in our faces and produced 8
more in addition to the 2 they already had. We did nothing and still
do nothing. Furthermore we are moving our troops in S Korea back from
the northern border since we know in the event of war N Korea will
barrage the south with massive artillery and missiles before
attempting to cross with their 1 million man army. Our plans- let the
South Korean soldiers bite it while we sit back further south an await
the order to strike back. Seoul, meanwhile, would be history.
You are the ignorant clue****.

Rob