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Barry George wrote in message ... Yes, I believe that it is likely that the PAK-FA will try to fill both roles. Russia still has a requirement for a heavy interceptor and given the decisions so far it seems likely funding will someday be reserved for it. It will be ten or twenty years before there is enough funding for it and it will have to compete with S-400 family SAMS. Russia needs such interceptors for defending such a large frontier but they cost money. The Mig-31 weighs as much as four unloaded Mig-29s and the fuel bills for it are shocking. Soviet Fulcrum-A's or C's with their 1980-vintage equipment are more a match to F-16A's (that's the SMT upgrade is for, but there is no money). About the MiG-31 fuel bills-well, T-6 is not JP-7 (if it is T-6 at all), and MiG-31's replaced Tu-128's, the lagest fighters/interceptors ever used in operational service! Maintenance is the problem, not fuel. I haven't herd about the latest BM conversions. It will have to have very long range and will most likely (I am guessing here) could take two forms either that of a low speed, extremely high altitude missile platform or a more costly fighter with sprint speeds in combat of over mach 3.5! It is slightly possible that such a project could be based off of the medium and heavy bombers (think T-60 and T-4MS) which will replace the Su-24 and Su-34. Su-24/32FN are not medium nor heavy bombers (Tu-22M3/4 and Tu-160 are). According to Samoilovytch, related drawings went to Tupolev that supposedly trashed them, and MS projects never went further than the model phase (Tu-160 is the resulting aircraft, although T-4MS allegedly got the contest). T-4 (prototype) and T-4MS (proposal) are as much different as XB-70 and B-1 (actually, MS is some combination of those). Run a search on the mig project 7.01 to see the next stage above MFI! -Jonas Weselake-George Sukhoi already got MFI project go-ahead, and MIG is struggling. There is nothing much wrong with MAPO-MIG, except that Sukhoi had Simonov-and he is much better salesman than Belyakov. According to Samoilovytch, there was some funny equipment that was designed by "Sukhoi" when Simonov came there! Nele NULLA ROSA SINE SPINA |
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"forties" wrote in message oups.com... Another stillborn paper concept, from what I gather. Well, although sounds like Tu-202 is myth I knew ex-RAF persons who said they have seen this a/c during test flights in mid of '90s.. Lots of UFOs are seen also...doesn't mean they are from outer space, though. :-) They are scratching hard to try and meet their obligations for the An-70 project, and are behind the power curve on that one already. Antonov Design Bureau (AN-70) is Ukrainian company. Russians just finance it.. and sounds like they were not/are not actually interested in this a/c.. Actually, that is a joint project (the D-27 engines originate with MMPP Salut in Moscow, don't they?). The Russians bought into it up front, then backed out, or appeared to, and now they say they are back onboard...but are reportedly a bit slow in actually living up to their end of the financial bargain. Why? Because they are cash-strapped, plain and simple. As Keith quite accurately pointed out, their defense budget just will not support any major new combat aircraft development right now, with the exception of those programs they may jointly pursue with India and/or China. Knowing Russian internal security policy I am sure they will not let to transfer such advanced technologies to other country for any sort of cooperation especially for the development of future main Russian fighter. Looks like they just use India/China to get money and play with them... Rough proove of my words is that for instance any hardware (a/c, missiles etc) sold to outside countries is light version (reduced accuracy, etc) of equipment used in Russia's Armed Forces.. Not anymore. The latest Su-30 variants they have sold to India and China are better equipped than anything they are flying in the Russian forces. And I don't buy them being so stupid as to try and rip-off development funding from either of those nations, as that would result in the shut down of a major source of cash inflow for their military industries. Ain't gonna happen, because if they lose their exports, they shrivel and die, 'cause the Russian Federation just does not have the funds to keep them afloat by itself. Brooks |
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Soviet Fulcrum-A's or C's with their 1980-vintage equipment are more a
match to F-16A's (that's the SMT upgrade is for, but there is no money). And Fulcrums are superior than F-16* in all modifications by all factors- be honest. About the MiG-31 fuel bills-well, T-6 is not JP-7 (if it is T-6 at all), and MiG-31's replaced Tu-128's, the lagest fighters/interceptors ever used in operational service! Mig-31 replaced Mig-25.. Mig-31/Tu-128 replacement - is profanation.. like b-2 replaced b-29 largest US bomber.. Maintenance is the problem, not fuel. I haven't herd about the latest BM conversions. Maintanance of SR-71 is also a problem.. as well as for any a/c reaches M3+. Agree? -E |
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"forties" wrote in message ups.com... Soviet Fulcrum-A's or C's with their 1980-vintage equipment are more a match to F-16A's (that's the SMT upgrade is for, but there is no money). And Fulcrums are superior than F-16* in all modifications by all factors- be honest. The combat record suggests otherwise, as does the fact that the Germans retired their Fulcrum's About the MiG-31 fuel bills-well, T-6 is not JP-7 (if it is T-6 at all), and MiG-31's replaced Tu-128's, the lagest fighters/interceptors ever used in operational service! Mig-31 replaced Mig-25.. Mig-31/Tu-128 replacement - is profanation.. like b-2 replaced b-29 largest US bomber.. Maintenance is the problem, not fuel. I haven't herd about the latest BM conversions. Maintanance of SR-71 is also a problem.. as well as for any a/c reaches M3+. Agree? Maintenance of the SR-71 is no problem at all, the aircraft went out of service years ago. Keith |
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forties wrote in message . com... Soviet Fulcrum-A's or C's with their 1980-vintage equipment are more a match to F-16A's (that's the SMT upgrade is for, but there is no money). And Fulcrums are superior than F-16* in all modifications by all factors- be honest. Wrong comparison. You cannot compare MiG-29-12B (first export) to latest block F-16. Malesian "cabrolet" MiG-29, OTOH, can be compared in the fighter role. Malesians also have "Hornets", so ask them what they prefer ;-) . About the MiG-31 fuel bills-well, T-6 is not JP-7 (if it is T-6 at all), and MiG-31's replaced Tu-128's, the lagest fighters/interceptors ever used in operational service! Mig-31 replaced Mig-25.. Mig-31/Tu-128 replacement - is profanation.. like b-2 replaced b-29 largest US bomber.. MiG-31s replaced Tu-128 "ships" or "barraging fighters" in their units. Size did not matter there, range and authonomy does (as well as requred Pk). Maintenance is the problem, not fuel. I haven't herd about the latest BM conversions. Maintanance of SR-71 is also a problem.. as well as for any a/c reaches M3+. Agree? -E It is not M3+ for MiG-31, but M2.83. I suppose that maintaining MiG-31 resembles more that of F-14, and it is hard to make it with the Siberian airstrip at sub-zero temperatures without enough money! Nele NULLA ROSA SINE SPINA |
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Actually, that is a joint project (the D-27 engines originate with
MMPP Salut in Moscow, don't they?). The Russians bought into it up front, then backed out, or appeared to, and now they say they are back onboard...but are reportedly a bit slow in actually living up to their end of the financial bargain. Why? Because they are cash-strapped, plain and simple. There's very interesting interview with Commander of RAF (Jan 2005). "Commander of RAF decided do not answer questions about AN-70 a/c" Russians actually doesn't/never been interested in this a/c. Cash is not a reason- they have cash enough for modernization of all military forces. Not mythical money like US who is economical bankrupt but live oil profits. |
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"forties" wrote in message ups.com... Actually, that is a joint project (the D-27 engines originate with MMPP Salut in Moscow, don't they?). The Russians bought into it up front, then backed out, or appeared to, and now they say they are back onboard...but are reportedly a bit slow in actually living up to their end of the financial bargain. Why? Because they are cash-strapped, plain and simple. There's very interesting interview with Commander of RAF (Jan 2005). "Commander of RAF decided do not answer questions about AN-70 a/c" For the very good reason is that its not part of his command. Russians actually doesn't/never been interested in this a/c. Cash is not a reason- they have cash enough for modernization of all military forces. Yet they havent done so. Not mythical money like US who is economical bankrupt but live oil profits. Psst that would be Russia , the USA is a net importer of oil. Keith |
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