"bush flying" in the suburbs?

On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 04:28:43 GMT, "Casey Wilson"
wrote in %vQtd.755$Qp.517@trnddc01::

Several years ago, when I lived in the north end of San Bernardino,
California, my father-in-law used to land on a concrete slab left over from
a WWII Army supply depot. It was about a mile and a half from the house,
just of the east side of Interstate-15 We had scoped the place out, cleared
some brush, and sunk some anchors for tie downs. He lived and flew in Alaska
and the plane was a C-170B with big flaps and huge mains.
Pop would fly over the house and rack the throttle a couple times to get
my attention, then head for the patch. By the time I got there he'd be
tieing the plane down.
One late evening, right at twilight, we went through the drill. I helped
him finish up the tie-downs and just as we started to unload... Headlights,
spotlights, and cops -- sheriff, Highway patrol, city cops, and we found out
in a few minutes the FBI and DEA -- appeared from every direction!

[snip]

Thanks for the great story.

You're lucky you didn't end up like Frank Critzer at Giant Rock.
Rumor is that the San Bernardino or Riverside police lobbed a tear gas
canister into his home and set off the dynamite he had stored there.
http://www.integratron.com/2History/History.html
http://www.lucernevalley.net/giantrock/
http://www.labyrinthina.com/rock.htm

The regs generally forbid flying an airplane less than 500 feet from any
structure or vessel, except for takeoff and landing.

So what? Those regulations don't apply in congested areas (such as those
described by Ernest), and they don't apply during takeoffs and landings in
any case (the specific situation this entire thread is about).

Over congested areas it's 1000 feet. And I stated "except for takeoff
and landing", which =is= what the thread is about. I was clarifying
what the reg is, not arguing that the reg prohibits takeoff or landing
outside an airport.

Jose
(r.a.homebuilt trimmed)
--
Freedom. It seemed like a good idea at the time.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

"Casey Wilson" wrote in message
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(snip)
The old man and N2310D disappeared into the mountains somewhere between
Anchorage and North Way. Every time I drive into San Berdoo I remember
that night.

Wish I had known him. Thanks for sharing.

Rich S.

writes:

However, check your local laws, most states have some rules about using
public roads as your own personal airstrip.

I've not succeeded at getting this information from my state (Indiana).
AOPA has been less than useless on the topic. They shut down discussion
of the legalities and just berate me for even thinking about landing a
plane anywhere other than at a declared airport.

I need to take it up with the county. I keep forgetting when I'm with
the Sheriff...

--kyler

"TaxSrv" wrote in message
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Yes they do.

No, they don't.

[...] So if such a tower under 500' AGL poses a
hazard to aircraft for an adjoining private airfield, the rights of
the antenna owner's property may just be superior under common law.

That in no way alters the right of any aircraft to pass through that
airspace freely. The property owner does not "own" the airspace, and has no
privilege to prohibit other people from using it where it is not already
being occupied by something else, as suggested by the person to whom I was
replying.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote:
[...] So if such a tower under 500' AGL poses a
hazard to aircraft for an adjoining private airfield, the rights
of
the antenna owner's property may just be superior under common
law.

That in no way alters the right of any aircraft to pass through that
airspace freely. The property owner does not "own" the airspace,
and has no
privilege to prohibit other people from using it where it is not
already
being occupied by something else, as suggested by the person to whom
I was
replying.


It's not really a matter of "ownership," but rather whether use of
airspace down low over other people's property denies them their right
of enjoyment and freedom from hazards. Here's 3 samples of decisions
in various states, concerning private airstrips:

"The court emphasized that in this case the airport was private, not
public, and ruled that "there is nothing to distinguish a private
airport from any other private business with regard to enjoining
operations which create a nuisance."

"The trial court issued an injunction against use of the airstrip, and
the appellate court held the injunction appropriate on the grounds
that use of the airstrip, even without actual invasion of the
utility's land, constituted a nuisance to the utility's transmission
lines." [Note the utility put up the transmission lines; then sued the
adjacent private airport owner!]

"Neighboring property owners sued owners of a private airport for
damages due to aircraft noise. Held: An airport operating in
conformance with state and federal law may nevertheless constitute a
nuisance, and the Federal Aviation Act does not preempt damages for
unreasonable noise from an airport....In addition, plaintiffs may
recover for inconvenience, annoyance, and discomfort caused by
nuisance as long as the interference with use and enjoyment of their
property is unreasonable and substantial."

Fred F.

KBIL Every Christmas Eve.

Judah wrote:
Where is this? My kids would probably get a big kick out of something like
that...

Newps wrote in news:3N2dnbVgu59cGircRVn-
:


We have a guy here that has a 1500 pound thing he hangs from his
Jetranger each Christmas. It is Santa in his sleigh and a couple of
reindeer. There's about a thousand lights being run from the generator
bungied to the skids. He flies without any lights on the copter and the
route is published in the paper on Dec 23 each year. His whole flight
takes him a couple hours.

TaxSrv wrote:



"The trial court issued an injunction against use of the airstrip, and
the appellate court held the injunction appropriate on the grounds
that use of the airstrip, even without actual invasion of the
utility's land, constituted a nuisance to the utility's transmission
lines." [Note the utility put up the transmission lines; then sued the
adjacent private airport owner!]

This is odd as most utilities will bury the lines for your runway if you
pay the cost of burial. Unless of course you're talking about those
monster transmission lines.

Oh darn. A bit too far to fly in an Arrow...


Newps wrote in
:

KBIL Every Christmas Eve.

Judah wrote:
Where is this? My kids would probably get a big kick out of something
like that...

Newps wrote in news:3N2dnbVgu59cGircRVn-
:


We have a guy here that has a 1500 pound thing he hangs from his
Jetranger each Christmas. It is Santa in his sleigh and a couple of
reindeer. There's about a thousand lights being run from the
generator bungied to the skids. He flies without any lights on the
copter and the route is published in the paper on Dec 23 each year.
His whole flight takes him a couple hours.

"TaxSrv" wrote in message
...
It's not really a matter of "ownership,"

That's what I've been saying. Thank you.