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"Alan Minyard" wrote
"S. Sampson" wrote: "Ed Rasimus" wrote By that criteria, I'll still say little or no "carpet bombing" in SEA. If you limit it to iron. The most common carpet bombing in Vietnam was the defoliant chemicals. Maybe there's a more correct term, as "bombing" seems to signify explosives, rather than biological weapons. The US did not use any biological weapons in SEA. Poor choice of words, so I guess plants aren't really biological... |
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:57:43 -0600, S. Sampson wrote:
Poor choice of words, so I guess plants aren't really biological... Which biological weapons were used in SEA? -Jeff B. yeff at erols dot com |
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"Yeff" wrote
S. Sampson wrote: Poor choice of words, so I guess plants aren't really biological... Which biological weapons were used in SEA? M-14 and M-16 were used against the "carbon based units." |
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In article ,
"Ragnar" wrote: "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... ubject: "Cluster bombs called 'war crime'" From: IBM Date: 1/24/04 11:25 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Xns947AEE42DF19Bibmsvpalorg Why did the lawyers not sue Saddam Hussein first? Or the late Soviet leaders for the the Soviet Union's 1956 Invasion of Hungary? the 1968 Invasion of Czechoslovakia; and the 1979 invasion of Afghanistan? Will the late Yuri Andropov and Leonid Brezhnev be labeled as war criminals in historical terms? Because they ( the lawyers ) are looney leftists. A cluster bomb is no more illegal than a rifle bullet. The use to which these instruments are put might constitute a crime under certain conditions however. Lawyers as a voting block are 95% conservative. Cite? This I gotta see. |
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"Steve Hix" wrote in message ... In article , "Ragnar" wrote: "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... ubject: "Cluster bombs called 'war crime'" From: IBM Date: 1/24/04 11:25 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Xns947AEE42DF19Bibmsvpalorg Why did the lawyers not sue Saddam Hussein first? Or the late Soviet leaders for the the Soviet Union's 1956 Invasion of Hungary? the 1968 Invasion of Czechoslovakia; and the 1979 invasion of Afghanistan? Will the late Yuri Andropov and Leonid Brezhnev be labeled as war criminals in historical terms? Because they ( the lawyers ) are looney leftists. A cluster bomb is no more illegal than a rifle bullet. The use to which these instruments are put might constitute a crime under certain conditions however. Lawyers as a voting block are 95% conservative. Cite? This I gotta see. You won't. Art assiduously avoids all attempts to keep him honest. |
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Alan Minyard wrote in message . ..
Socialism and communism are, and have repeatedly been shown to be, immoral. Care to supply an example? A real example, mind you, not one that roughly reads "such-and-such really nasty person did really nasty things in the name of communism", as such examples can be found for any religion or conviction, and are moreover mostly based on leaders who went directly against the ideals they claimed to represent. They inevitably lead to dictatorship. Not true. They have been used repeatedly by power hungry individuals to incite a revolution against thouroughly rotten regimes. Said power hungry individuals then proceeded to replace the previous rotten regime with yet another rotten dictatorship, which had nothing even remotely in common with either socialism or communism. I should point out that the replaced regimes were usually every bit as bad, and didn't even call themselved socialist or communist. I don't think either doctrine has ever been implemented anywhere. Perversions based on communism have, and much harm was done by those, but they were perversions. I'll grant you one thing though. Communism requires an ideal humanity to work, and it is very naive to believe such a thing is available. Attemting to implement it with less than ideal humans gives ruthless individuals way too many opportunities to seize power and corrupt the whole system. They are very shameful, and any intelligent person sees them as such. Such lovely reasoning. I'm right, and any who disagree with me are utterly stupid. Gotta love that style. Rob |
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Ragnar wrote:
"John Mullen" wrote in message ... Ragnar wrote: "Mike Yared" wrote in message ... Why did the lawyers not sue Saddam Hussein first? Or the late Soviet leaders for the the Soviet Union's 1956 Invasion of Hungary? the 1968 Invasion of Czechoslovakia; and the 1979 invasion of Afghanistan? Will the late Yuri Andropov and Leonid Brezhnev be labeled as war criminals in historical terms? The lefties involved in these cases don't sue guys like Stalin because they know what he would do to them. Its easier and more profitable to whine about the USA because they know they can get away with it. Stalin is dead. Thank you Captain Obvious. I'm sure other readers caught the point without being an ass. Ok. As I didn't, obviously, as you say, because of being an ass, would you care to explain it to me without referring to legal proceedings against long-dead individuals? Or were you just breaking wind? John |
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Jack wrote in message ...
On 1/27/04 3:08 AM, in article , "Rob van Riel" wrote: Communism requires an ideal humanity to work.... Attempting to implement it with less than ideal humans gives ruthless individuals way too many opportunities to seize power and corrupt the whole system. Socialism and communism would require perfect god-like LEADERS. Perfect CITIZENS do not need leaders at all. Depends on your definition of perfection. If you mean this to include omniscience, you are right. Otherwise, perfect citizens still require leadership. Since we will only ever have imperfect citizens and leaders, communism is the worst sort of philosophy. Democracy may not be the ideal form of government, but it is better than any other mankind has devised. You say this as though democracy and communism are incompatible. I don't think communism places any restrictions on how leadership is selected. "Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word: equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude."- Alexis de Tocqueville With all due respect, this person has no idea what he's talking about. There are many forms of democracy, and the majority offer not a trace of equality, and although socialism, like just about any philosophy, requires some restraint by the populace, it has nothing to do with servitude, in fact, both it and communism practically demand that it be abolished. Also, democracy is a means by which leadership is selected, and has nothing to do with the policies said leadership implements, which is the domain in which socialism (and many others) fall. "Democracy is a form of government that substitutes election by the incompetent many for appointment by the corrupt few." - George Bernard Shaw Quite right, thus the law can indeed be bought and sold, and often it is. I hope you don't consider this a good thing. "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." - Josef Stalin A lesson well learned and applied, it seems, by the current US administration. The refinement of democracy that is our Republic gives to us imperfect humans our very best chance at freedom. Actually, US society seems to give the ruthless and strong a carte blanche to trample those weaker or more decent. Might makes right only gives you the right to opress or be opressed. Unrestricted freedom, which you appear to desire, has a different name: anarchy. Socialism and communism never really speak in terms of freedom, but only in terms of equality. An equal measure of freedom for all doesn't seem so bad to me. Some restraints are necessary in any society, and I'd rather see the same restrictions applied to everyone. Enforced equality is slavery and you may have all of that you like. Utter nonsense. In a slavery situation there are masters and slaves. Since these are by definition unequal, equality, whether enforced or not, precludes slavery. Rob |
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