"Proceed on Course" = "Right turn approved"?

"Newps" wrote in message
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And doesn't apply at all to towered airports.


According to FAR 91.129 it does.

"Newps" wrote in message
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No, the left turn preference does not apply to towered airports.


He just explained why it does.


§ 91.129 Operations in Class D airspace.

(a) General. Unless otherwise authorized or required by the ATC facility
having jurisdiction over the Class D airspace area, each person operating an
aircraft in Class D airspace must comply with the applicable provisions of
this section. In addition, each person must comply with §§91.126 and 91.127.
For the purpose of this section, the primary airport is the airport for
which the Class D airspace area is designated. A satellite airport is any
other airport within the Class D airspace area.


§ 91.126 Operating on or in the vicinity of an airport in Class G
airspace.

(b) Direction of turns. When approaching to land at an airport without an
operating control tower in Class G airspace-

(1) Each pilot of an airplane must make all turns of that airplane to
the
left unless the airport displays approved light signals or visual markings
indicating that turns should be made to the right, in which case the pilot
must make all turns to the right; and

(2) Each pilot of a helicopter must avoid the flow of fixed-wing
aircraft.

"Newps" wrote in message
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How does it not jibe?


Because it says something completely different from what you're saying.

"Newps" wrote in message
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At a towered airport you turn whatever direction you want, unless
otherwise instructed.


At a towered airport you make left turns while approaching to land, unless
instructed otherwise.

"Bill Zaleski" wrote in message
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Agreed, but you may not cross an extension of the departure runway
centerline till outside the "D" or with clearance. This happens a lot
here, for some reason. The tower has a fit, and rightfully so.


How would you be in a position to cross the extended centerline of the
runway you just departed?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote

"Newps" wrote
No, the left turn preference does not apply to towered airports.


He just explained why it does.

§ 91.129 Operations in Class D airspace.

(a) General. Unless otherwise authorized or required by the ATC
facility having jurisdiction over the Class D airspace area,
each person operating an aircraft in Class D airspace must comply
with the applicable provisions of this section. In addition, each
person must comply with §§91.126 and 91.127......

§ 91.126 Operating on or in the vicinity of an airport in Class G
airspace.

(b) Direction of turns. When approaching to land at an airport
without an operating control tower in Class G airspace-

(1) Each pilot of an airplane must make all turns of that airplane
to the left .....

91.126 only requires left turns at airports without an operating control
tower. How does making right turns at an airport with a control tower
conflict with the 91.129 requirement to be in compliance with 91.126?

Bob Moore

Peter Clark wrote:

Just to play devil's advocate, why would you need to cross the
extended centerline?

Unless the pilot is paying a lot of attention to the ground track, a crosswind is
likely to cause the aircraft to drift downwind a bit while climbing out. If you've
drifted to the right, a left turn will then take you across the extended centerline.
Since my aircraft has no rear view mirror, I can't be absolutely sure, but I'd bet
that I rarely track the extended centerline when the wind is up, especially at
unfamiliar fields.

George Patterson
In Idaho, tossing a rattlesnake into a crowded room is felony assault.
In Tennessee, it's evangelism.

Bob Gardner wrote:

Seems to me that "Maintain runway heading until advised" would fit the bill
in this situation.

If you maintain that heading and there's any crosswind, you will not track the
extended centerline. When we brought my Maule back from the factory, we departed from
a nearby controlled field. We were told to maintain runway heading. The controller
explained to us that he had a corporate jet leaving right after us, and maintaining
this heading would cause us to drift to the right and get out of the way of the jet.

George Patterson
In Idaho, tossing a rattlesnake into a crowded room is felony assault.
In Tennessee, it's evangelism.

"Bob Moore" wrote in message
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91.126 only requires left turns at airports without an operating control
tower. How does making right turns at an airport with a control tower
conflict with the 91.129 requirement to be in compliance with 91.126?


Because 91.129(a) requires compliance with 91.126.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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If you maintain that heading and there's any crosswind, you will not track
the
extended centerline.


You're not expected to track the runway centerline when instructed to fly
runway heading.