I Hate bush like any real man would

"Mary Shafer" wrote in message
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On 17 Dec 2003 18:47:04 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

Gore would have won Florida had it not been for the monkey business by
Harris and the voter registration purge. Read Greg Palast's "The Best
Democracy Money can Buy."


Get over it already.

Miss Harris did as the law told her to. Would you prefer recount after
recount
until your boy won? Your boy blew it by only asking that three counties
be
counted instead of a statewide recount that even I would have supported.

All but one of the recounts done since the election show Bush winning.
The
widest Bush win margin was using Gore's criteria.

The issue here is not the recounts. It's the purging of the electoral
roles, supposedly of people who couldn't vote because they'd been
found guilty of felonies but actually of many people who had never
even been arrested in their lives. Many of these people were poor and
of African descent, both groups that tend to vote Democrat.

While it's unlikely that Democrats, the poor, or people of color were
targeted for purging, I think it's likely that their complaints may
have created less urgency of correction than if they were in
categories to whom the "Establishment" is more traditionally
responsive.

I certainly won't say the over-purging was deliberate, but it did
indicate a lack of attention on the part of the State of Florida in
the person of Ms Harris and her subordinates.

Someone posted a URL for the Federal report about what happened
earlier. I suggest (not cattily, really) that you read it. It's an
interesting account of how things went wrong and caused an unfortunate
event.

People are right to be troubled about voters being stripped of their
vote for no valid reason. Our votes are how we, the people, direct
our republic and taking away that right threatens the stability of the
republic.

You mean kind of like Gore and the democrats ranting about the validity of
the absentee ballots sent back from the overseas military personnel?

Brooks


Mary

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Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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"Mary Shafer" wrote in message
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On 17 Dec 2003 18:47:04 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

Gore would have won Florida had it not been for the monkey business by
Harris and the voter registration purge. Read Greg Palast's "The Best
Democracy Money can Buy."


Get over it already.

Miss Harris did as the law told her to. Would you prefer recount after
recount
until your boy won? Your boy blew it by only asking that three counties
be
counted instead of a statewide recount that even I would have supported.

All but one of the recounts done since the election show Bush winning.
The
widest Bush win margin was using Gore's criteria.

The issue here is not the recounts. It's the purging of the electoral
roles, supposedly of people who couldn't vote because they'd been
found guilty of felonies but actually of many people who had never
even been arrested in their lives. Many of these people were poor and
of African descent, both groups that tend to vote Democrat.

While it's unlikely that Democrats, the poor, or people of color were
targeted for purging, I think it's likely that their complaints may
have created less urgency of correction than if they were in
categories to whom the "Establishment" is more traditionally
responsive.

I certainly won't say the over-purging was deliberate, but it did
indicate a lack of attention on the part of the State of Florida in
the person of Ms Harris and her subordinates.

Someone posted a URL for the Federal report about what happened
earlier. I suggest (not cattily, really) that you read it. It's an
interesting account of how things went wrong and caused an unfortunate
event.

People are right to be troubled about voters being stripped of their
vote for no valid reason. Our votes are how we, the people, direct
our republic and taking away that right threatens the stability of the
republic.

You mean kind of like Gore and the democrats ranting about the validity of
the absentee ballots sent back from the overseas military personnel?

It seems to me that the lady had little trouble in expressing herself quite
clearly, and she didn't need your help in likening her views to other events or
subjects. You don't need to translate for her.....she's quite articulate and
doesn't need that kind of help.

You, OTOH, need to stop changing the subject in order to avoid having to address
the points she made. Trying to change the subject only serves to give the
appearance that you're unable to take effective issue with her views.

George Z.

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:51:58 GMT, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:


People are right to be troubled about voters being stripped of their
vote for no valid reason. Our votes are how we, the people, direct
our republic and taking away that right threatens the stability of the
republic.

You mean kind of like Gore and the democrats ranting about the validity of
the absentee ballots sent back from the overseas military personnel?

No, I don't.

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

(miso) wrote:

:Gore would have won Florida had it not been for the monkey business by
:Harris

You mean her trying to actually follow what the law said, despite the
Gore camp's attempts to steal the election via the Florida Supreme
Court? Yeah, shame on her for that.

:and the voter registration purge. Read Greg Palast's "The Best
emocracy Money can Buy."

Why? Most of us were around for the election and don't need someone
to propagandize us into 'their truth'.

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

"Mary Shafer" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:51:58 GMT, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:


People are right to be troubled about voters being stripped of their
vote for no valid reason. Our votes are how we, the people, direct
our republic and taking away that right threatens the stability of the
republic.

You mean kind of like Gore and the democrats ranting about the validity
of
the absentee ballots sent back from the overseas military personnel?

No, I don't.

Glad we cleared that up--stripping the vote from those likely to be dems is
apparently a travesty, while doing the same to those who serve overseas is
A-OK, huh?

Brooks


Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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"Mary Shafer" wrote in message
...
On 17 Dec 2003 18:47:04 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

Gore would have won Florida had it not been for the monkey business
by
Harris and the voter registration purge. Read Greg Palast's "The
Best
Democracy Money can Buy."


Get over it already.

Miss Harris did as the law told her to. Would you prefer recount
after
recount
until your boy won? Your boy blew it by only asking that three
counties
be
counted instead of a statewide recount that even I would have
supported.

All but one of the recounts done since the election show Bush
winning.
The
widest Bush win margin was using Gore's criteria.

The issue here is not the recounts. It's the purging of the electoral
roles, supposedly of people who couldn't vote because they'd been
found guilty of felonies but actually of many people who had never
even been arrested in their lives. Many of these people were poor and
of African descent, both groups that tend to vote Democrat.

While it's unlikely that Democrats, the poor, or people of color were
targeted for purging, I think it's likely that their complaints may
have created less urgency of correction than if they were in
categories to whom the "Establishment" is more traditionally
responsive.

I certainly won't say the over-purging was deliberate, but it did
indicate a lack of attention on the part of the State of Florida in
the person of Ms Harris and her subordinates.

Someone posted a URL for the Federal report about what happened
earlier. I suggest (not cattily, really) that you read it. It's an
interesting account of how things went wrong and caused an unfortunate
event.

People are right to be troubled about voters being stripped of their
vote for no valid reason. Our votes are how we, the people, direct
our republic and taking away that right threatens the stability of the
republic.

You mean kind of like Gore and the democrats ranting about the validity
of
the absentee ballots sent back from the overseas military personnel?

It seems to me that the lady had little trouble in expressing herself
quite
clearly, and she didn't need your help in likening her views to other
events or
subjects. You don't need to translate for her.....she's quite articulate
and
doesn't need that kind of help.

You, OTOH, need to stop changing the subject in order to avoid having to
address
the points she made. Trying to change the subject only serves to give the
appearance that you're unable to take effective issue with her views.

George, when you have grown up enough to admit that your past accusations
towards Bush in regards to his volunteering for Palace Alert were not true,
come back and give me a lecture. Till then you'd be better off worrying
about your own posts, OK? Here is that link again that clarifies that he did
indeed volunteer:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/19...5no19_bush.htm

Brooks

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"Mary Shafer" wrote in message
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On 17 Dec 2003 18:47:04 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

Gore would have won Florida had it not been for the monkey business by
Harris and the voter registration purge. Read Greg Palast's "The Best
Democracy Money can Buy."


Get over it already.

Miss Harris did as the law told her to. Would you prefer recount after
recount until your boy won? Your boy blew it by only asking that three
counties be counted instead of a statewide recount that even I would have
supported.

All but one of the recounts done since the election show Bush winning. The
widest Bush win margin was using Gore's criteria.

The issue here is not the recounts. It's the purging of the electoral
roles, supposedly of people who couldn't vote because they'd been
found guilty of felonies but actually of many people who had never
even been arrested in their lives. Many of these people were poor and
of African descent, both groups that tend to vote Democrat.

While it's unlikely that Democrats, the poor, or people of color were
targeted for purging, I think it's likely that their complaints may
have created less urgency of correction than if they were in
categories to whom the "Establishment" is more traditionally
responsive.

I certainly won't say the over-purging was deliberate, but it did
indicate a lack of attention on the part of the State of Florida in
the person of Ms Harris and her subordinates.

Someone posted a URL for the Federal report about what happened
earlier. I suggest (not cattily, really) that you read it. It's an
interesting account of how things went wrong and caused an unfortunate
event.

People are right to be troubled about voters being stripped of their
vote for no valid reason. Our votes are how we, the people, direct
our republic and taking away that right threatens the stability of the
republic.

You mean kind of like Gore and the democrats ranting about the validity of
the absentee ballots sent back from the overseas military personnel?

It seems to me that the lady had little trouble in expressing herself quite
clearly, and she didn't need your help in likening her views to other events
or subjects. You don't need to translate for her.....she's quite articulate
and doesn't need that kind of help.

You, OTOH, need to stop changing the subject in order to avoid having to
address the points she made. Trying to change the subject only serves to
give the appearance that you're unable to take effective issue with her
views.

George, when you have grown up enough to admit that your past accusations
towards Bush in regards to his volunteering for Palace Alert were not true,
come back and give me a lecture. Till then you'd be better off worrying
about your own posts, OK?

In the first place, this isn't about my past accusations about
anything......it's about your failure to respond to Mary Shafer's comments
regarding certain election activities that occurred in Florida during the last
presidential election without trying to change the subject to something else so
that you wouldn't have to respond. I guess your silence on that score is an
admission of sorts that she's got it right.

Don't try to change this into anything involving what I might have said or not
said about anything......just get back to addressing Mary's points about the
election in Florida without another demonstration of your skill at the Texas two
step. It's not about me and my views; it's about her and hers. Try to stick to
the point.

George Z.

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 03:30:01 GMT, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:


"Mary Shafer" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:51:58 GMT, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:


People are right to be troubled about voters being stripped of their
vote for no valid reason. Our votes are how we, the people, direct
our republic and taking away that right threatens the stability of the
republic.

You mean kind of like Gore and the democrats ranting about the validity
of
the absentee ballots sent back from the overseas military personnel?

No, I don't.

Glad we cleared that up--stripping the vote from those likely to be dems is
apparently a travesty, while doing the same to those who serve overseas is
A-OK, huh?

If the rules say your absentee vote has to be postmarked before a
given date, it's not stripping your vote from you if you don't get it
done in time. The same is true for folks serving in the US as well,
by the way, just like it is for civilians voting absentee.

Come to think of it, how could they tell the ballots were from
overseas military, not civilians overseas or folks stationed outside
Florida but within the US?

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
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Kevin Brooks wrote:
"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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"Mary Shafer" wrote in message
...
On 17 Dec 2003 18:47:04 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

Gore would have won Florida had it not been for the monkey business
by
Harris and the voter registration purge. Read Greg Palast's "The
Best
Democracy Money can Buy."


Get over it already.

Miss Harris did as the law told her to. Would you prefer recount
after
recount until your boy won? Your boy blew it by only asking that
three
counties be counted instead of a statewide recount that even I would
have
supported.

All but one of the recounts done since the election show Bush
winning. The
widest Bush win margin was using Gore's criteria.

The issue here is not the recounts. It's the purging of the
electoral
roles, supposedly of people who couldn't vote because they'd been
found guilty of felonies but actually of many people who had never
even been arrested in their lives. Many of these people were poor
and
of African descent, both groups that tend to vote Democrat.

While it's unlikely that Democrats, the poor, or people of color were
targeted for purging, I think it's likely that their complaints may
have created less urgency of correction than if they were in
categories to whom the "Establishment" is more traditionally
responsive.

I certainly won't say the over-purging was deliberate, but it did
indicate a lack of attention on the part of the State of Florida in
the person of Ms Harris and her subordinates.

Someone posted a URL for the Federal report about what happened
earlier. I suggest (not cattily, really) that you read it. It's an
interesting account of how things went wrong and caused an
unfortunate
event.

People are right to be troubled about voters being stripped of their
vote for no valid reason. Our votes are how we, the people, direct
our republic and taking away that right threatens the stability of
the
republic.

You mean kind of like Gore and the democrats ranting about the
validity of
the absentee ballots sent back from the overseas military personnel?

It seems to me that the lady had little trouble in expressing herself
quite
clearly, and she didn't need your help in likening her views to other
events
or subjects. You don't need to translate for her.....she's quite
articulate
and doesn't need that kind of help.

You, OTOH, need to stop changing the subject in order to avoid having
to
address the points she made. Trying to change the subject only serves
to
give the appearance that you're unable to take effective issue with her
views.

George, when you have grown up enough to admit that your past
accusations
towards Bush in regards to his volunteering for Palace Alert were not
true,
come back and give me a lecture. Till then you'd be better off worrying
about your own posts, OK?

In the first place, this isn't about my past accusations about
anything......it's about your failure to respond to Mary Shafer's comments
regarding certain election activities that occurred in Florida during the
last
presidential election without trying to change the subject to something
else so
that you wouldn't have to respond. I guess your silence on that score is
an
admission of sorts that she's got it right.

When you have your own house in order (i.e., until you recognize that your
earlier accusation was false and are big enough to admit it), you can start
working on decorrupting the rest of us. My comment to Mary was questioning
whether her concerns for disenfranchisement were only in relation to the
likely democcratic supporters--her answer indicated that indeed was the
case. Hell of a view of democracy IMO...

Brooks

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On 17 Dec 2003 18:47:04 GMT, (B2431) wrote:


Gore would have won Florida had it not been for the monkey business

by

Harris and the voter registration purge. Read Greg Palast's "The

Best

Democracy Money can Buy."



Get over it already.

Miss Harris did as the law told her to. Would you prefer recount

after

recount until your boy won? Your boy blew it by only asking that

three

counties be counted instead of a statewide recount that even I would

have

supported.

All but one of the recounts done since the election show Bush

winning. The

widest Bush win margin was using Gore's criteria.

The issue here is not the recounts. It's the purging of the

electoral

roles, supposedly of people who couldn't vote because they'd been
found guilty of felonies but actually of many people who had never
even been arrested in their lives. Many of these people were poor

and

of African descent, both groups that tend to vote Democrat.

While it's unlikely that Democrats, the poor, or people of color were
targeted for purging, I think it's likely that their complaints may
have created less urgency of correction than if they were in
categories to whom the "Establishment" is more traditionally
responsive.

I certainly won't say the over-purging was deliberate, but it did
indicate a lack of attention on the part of the State of Florida in
the person of Ms Harris and her subordinates.

Someone posted a URL for the Federal report about what happened
earlier. I suggest (not cattily, really) that you read it. It's an
interesting account of how things went wrong and caused an

unfortunate

event.

People are right to be troubled about voters being stripped of their
vote for no valid reason. Our votes are how we, the people, direct
our republic and taking away that right threatens the stability of

the

republic.

You mean kind of like Gore and the democrats ranting about the

validity of

the absentee ballots sent back from the overseas military personnel?

It seems to me that the lady had little trouble in expressing herself

quite

clearly, and she didn't need your help in likening her views to other

events

or subjects. You don't need to translate for her.....she's quite

articulate

and doesn't need that kind of help.

You, OTOH, need to stop changing the subject in order to avoid having

to

address the points she made. Trying to change the subject only serves

to

give the appearance that you're unable to take effective issue with her
views.

George, when you have grown up enough to admit that your past

accusations

towards Bush in regards to his volunteering for Palace Alert were not

true,

come back and give me a lecture. Till then you'd be better off worrying
about your own posts, OK?

In the first place, this isn't about my past accusations about
anything......it's about your failure to respond to Mary Shafer's comments
regarding certain election activities that occurred in Florida during the

last

presidential election without trying to change the subject to something

else so

that you wouldn't have to respond. I guess your silence on that score is

an

admission of sorts that she's got it right.


When you have your own house in order (i.e., until you recognize that your
earlier accusation was false and are big enough to admit it), you can start
working on decorrupting the rest of us. My comment to Mary was questioning
whether her concerns for disenfranchisement were only in relation to the
likely democcratic supporters--her answer indicated that indeed was the
case. Hell of a view of democracy IMO...

Brooks

snip further bellyaching



That's amazing! Some people can put a spin onto anything. I suppose
being a Tory must mean never having to be wrong. Must be wonderful...

John