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On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:51:08 -0800 (PST), 150flivver wrote:
he may have to get SEL added to his ticket before he can go renting a single engine. Yup, he's got his SEL from primary training, but you are 100% right, his MEL is limited to centerline thrust. The part I couldn't understand was how he got a commercial ticket, which BT explains later on in this thread. -- Dallas |
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"Dallas" wrote in message
... On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:16:47 -0800, BT wrote: They take a written, and based on military check ride (Form 8) are able to be issued a Commercial, Instrument, Multi Engine and never know anything about Props or P-factor or engines other than jets. BT, I was under the impression that a military pilot didn't need an FAA certificate to fly in the military. Was this an incorrect assumption? -- Dallas Dallas, you are correct, no FAA Certificate, but does have to have a valid military check ride that is recorded on AF Form 8. The military issues the military pilot his qualifications. No "certificate", just papers in a folder maintained in "Flight Records". The military pilot can take that current AF Form 8 to the nearest FSDO and be issued a Civilian Pilot Certificate. If he is flying aircraft with more than one engine, he gets a ME rating, if it is "fighters", certain types are considered centerline thrust. If he is flying a tanker or transport, he can have the centerline thrust removed. Also, as part of the Form 8 papers are annotations of instrument checkride, so he gets the Instrument rating. That does not qualify him to fly, Airplane Single Engine, unless his military Form 8 is for a single engine aircraft. BT |
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Dallas wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:16:47 -0800, BT wrote: They take a written, and based on military check ride (Form 8) are able to be issued a Commercial, Instrument, Multi Engine and never know anything about Props or P-factor or engines other than jets. BT, I was under the impression that a military pilot didn't need an FAA certificate to fly in the military. Was this an incorrect assumption? No. The military has it's own procedures for qualifing pilots, boat captains, radio/radar techs, etc. that don't involve the FAA, FCC or other agencies civilians have to deal with. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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On Jan 22, 9:26*pm, "BT" wrote:
"Dallas" wrote in message ... On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:16:47 -0800, BT wrote: They take a written, and based on military check ride (Form 8) are able to be issued a Commercial, Instrument, Multi Engine and never know anything about Props or P-factor or engines other than jets. BT, I was under the impression that a military pilot didn't need an FAA certificate to fly in the military. *Was this an incorrect assumption? -- Dallas Dallas, you are correct, no FAA Certificate, but does have to have a valid military check ride that is recorded on AF Form 8. The military issues the military pilot his qualifications. No "certificate", just papers in a folder maintained in "Flight Records". The military pilot can take that current AF Form 8 to the nearest FSDO and be issued a Civilian Pilot Certificate. If he is flying aircraft with more than one engine, he gets a ME rating, if it is "fighters", certain types are considered centerline thrust. If he is flying a tanker or transport, he can have the centerline thrust removed. Also, as part of the Form 8 papers are annotations of instrument checkride, so he gets the Instrument rating. That does not qualify him to fly, Airplane Single Engine, unless his military Form 8 is for a single engine aircraft. BT Also, some military check pilots are also FAA examiners. Some of the pilots out at Travis AFB say they got their ATP ME in the C-5 when they took their military check ride. -Robert |
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BT wrote:
It's true.. and it happens.. AF Trained pilots, T-37, T-38, F-15 are Multi Engine, Centerline Thrust. They take a written, and based on military check ride (Form 8) are able to be issued a Commercial, Instrument, Multi Engine and never know anything about Props or P-factor or engines other than jets. No SE. That was the case in the past. The Tweet is being retired and new pilots have been training on the T-6A Texan II, which is a turbine powered single. Now, the AF guys will get both single and multi instruction, like their Navy counterparts have always had (T-34C). John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) -- Message posted via AviationKB.com http://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums...ation/200801/1 |
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On Jan 22, 9:45*pm, wrote:
The military has it's own procedures for qualifing pilots, boat captains, radio/radar techs, etc. that don't involve the FAA, FCC or other agencies civilians have to deal with. Yea, in CAP we have to meet both. We have to maintain our FAA certificate to fly the AF owned aircraft and also maintain our CAP qualifications (similar to the regular AF's). So you need to have a Form 5 check every 12 months with a check pilot and need additional check for things like instrument, night, and certain types of flying. -robert, CFII and USAF Aux Check Pilot |
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Jan 22, 9:45?pm, wrote: The military has it's own procedures for qualifing pilots, boat captains, radio/radar techs, etc. that don't involve the FAA, FCC or other agencies civilians have to deal with. Yea, in CAP we have to meet both. We have to maintain our FAA certificate to fly the AF owned aircraft and also maintain our CAP qualifications (similar to the regular AF's). So you need to have a Form 5 check every 12 months with a check pilot and need additional check for things like instrument, night, and certain types of flying. Well, yeah, since the CAP isn't military and the members aren't part of the Armed Forces. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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On Jan 23, 9:45*am, wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote: On Jan 22, 9:45?pm, wrote: The military has it's own procedures for qualifing pilots, boat captains, radio/radar techs, etc. that don't involve the FAA, FCC or other agencies civilians have to deal with. Yea, in CAP we have to meet both. We have to maintain our FAA certificate to fly the AF owned aircraft and also maintain our CAP qualifications (similar to the regular AF's). So you need to have a Form 5 check every 12 months with a check pilot and need additional check for things like instrument, night, and certain types of flying. Well, yeah, since the CAP isn't military and the members aren't part of the Armed Forces. CAP is a military auxillary. All procedures and processes (including AF checkrides) are dictated by the USAF. If you don't want to follow USAF check out and currency procedures you cannot fly USAF owned aircraft for CAP. -Robert |
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Jan 23, 9:45?am, wrote: Robert M. Gary wrote: On Jan 22, 9:45?pm, wrote: The military has it's own procedures for qualifing pilots, boat captains, radio/radar techs, etc. that don't involve the FAA, FCC or other agencies civilians have to deal with. Yea, in CAP we have to meet both. We have to maintain our FAA certificate to fly the AF owned aircraft and also maintain our CAP qualifications (similar to the regular AF's). So you need to have a Form 5 check every 12 months with a check pilot and need additional check for things like instrument, night, and certain types of flying. Well, yeah, since the CAP isn't military and the members aren't part of the Armed Forces. CAP is a military auxillary. All procedures and processes (including AF checkrides) are dictated by the USAF. If you don't want to follow USAF check out and currency procedures you cannot fly USAF owned aircraft for CAP. That wan't meant as a put down of the CAP, merely a statement of fact. Since CAP members are civilians, they have to meet FAA requirements. Since the USAF is paying the tab, the USAF imposes it's own additional requirements. What's the problem? -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:26:35 -0800, BT wrote:
The military pilot can take that current AF Form 8 to the nearest FSDO and be issued a Civilian Pilot Certificate. Nicely explained. thx -- Dallas |
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