CAP T182T Crash on Nov. 8

On Jan 24, 7:54*am, " wrote:
On Jan 24, 10:19 am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:



Correct. So if two pilots who have far superior skill and judegement
than you or I, that are flying one of the most technically advanced GA
aircraft on the market can get into trouble, the rest of us should
take a moment to pause.

-Robert

The G1000 equipped 182 may be technically advanced, but I'm not a big
fan of the backup instrument layout and the lack of an electrically-
driven turn coordinator.

If the screen goes dark (which it does with apparent regularity) at
night or in IMC, you're in a world of hurt, experienced or not.

I've never had the screen go dark or known anyone who had. I did read
a report of a guy who set the brightness down really low (manually,
not auto brightness) during a night flight, and then on a subsequent
day flight he took it out of auto mode and he thought both screens had
failed. In truth they were just dim.

-Robert

On Jan 24, 8:26*am, (Ron Lee) wrote:
Ed Lewis was one of the most experienced pilots I know. He was a test
pilot for NASA, a former combat fighter pilot, an RV owner and a good
guy.

Still they take off on a night VFR flight into mountainous terrain. =A0

Correct. So if two pilots who have far superior skill and judegement
than you or I, that are flying one of the most technically advanced GA
aircraft on the market can get into trouble, the rest of us should
take a moment to pause.

-Robert

I have no need to pause. *I don't fly in the mountains at night.
Experience means little when poor judgment takes over. *Remember the
famous guy who died flying into a thunderstorm not long ago? *What
good did his "experience" do? *

The vast majority of aircraft accidents/fatalities are due to poor
judgment/pilot error. *Read the Nall report. * One would have odds in
his favor assuming that it is the causal factor in this accident as
well.

People would do a far greater service to pilots by pointing out
stupidity, encouraging the development of better piloting decision
making than saying "If someone as awesome as him died, what can I
possibly do?"

Its easy to feel invulnerable as a pilot by dismissing all aviation
accidents as the result of a stupid action that you would not take.
Its not until you discover pilots with greater judgement than yourself
have died that you rethink that.

-Robert

On Jan 24, 8:43*am, " wrote:
On Jan 24, 11:28 am, "Dan Luke" wrote:

My only (minor) complaint about the G100 C182 system is that it lacks
an electric turn coordinator, which is the cheapest bit of redundancy
one can ask for.

You don't like the vac attitude indicator?

-Robert

wrote:


If the screen goes dark (which it does with apparent regularity) at
night or in IMC, you're in a world of hurt, experienced or not.

Dan



I have heard of exactly one case where the screen has gone dark on a
G1000 equipped aircraft and that NW_Pilot on a shuttle flight and even
in that case the plane had been rigged with non-standard equipment that
may or may not have screwed with the G1000.

DO you have some cites for the "with apparent regularity" comment?

wrote:
On Jan 24, 1:24 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
You don't like the vac attitude indicator?

-Robert

I do -- but would feel better with an electric TC right there next to
it.

Dan


Well if it is a electrical system failure (one of the most likely
reasons for the G1000 to fail) that electric TC is going to die along
with it. You might notice that the 3 backups are all none electric and
in no way connected to the G1000.

On Jan 24, 3:42 pm, Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 24, 1:24 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
You don't like the vac attitude indicator?

-Robert

I do -- but would feel better with an electric TC right there next to
it.

Dan

Well if it is a electrical system failure (one of the most likely
reasons for the G1000 to fail) that electric TC is going to die along
with it. You might notice that the 3 backups are all none electric and
in no way connected to the G1000.

No, the most likely reason for a G1000 dark screen is a software
problem.

Dan

" wrote in news:6320e4d4-a223-4d50-
:

On Jan 24, 10:19 am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:

Correct. So if two pilots who have far superior skill and judegement
than you or I, that are flying one of the most technically advanced GA
aircraft on the market can get into trouble, the rest of us should
take a moment to pause.

-Robert

The G1000 equipped 182 may be technically advanced, but I'm not a big
fan of the backup instrument layout and the lack of an electrically-
driven turn coordinator.


Whats the backup consist of?


Bertie

wrote:
On Jan 24, 3:42 pm, Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 24, 1:24 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
You don't like the vac attitude indicator?
-Robert
I do -- but would feel better with an electric TC right there next to
it.
Dan
Well if it is a electrical system failure (one of the most likely
reasons for the G1000 to fail) that electric TC is going to die along
with it. You might notice that the 3 backups are all none electric and
in no way connected to the G1000.

No, the most likely reason for a G1000 dark screen is a software
problem.

Dan

cite?

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
" wrote in news:6320e4d4-a223-4d50-
:

On Jan 24, 10:19 am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
Correct. So if two pilots who have far superior skill and judegement
than you or I, that are flying one of the most technically advanced GA
aircraft on the market can get into trouble, the rest of us should
take a moment to pause.

-Robert
The G1000 equipped 182 may be technically advanced, but I'm not a big
fan of the backup instrument layout and the lack of an electrically-
driven turn coordinator.


Whats the backup consist of?


Bertie


Artificial Horizon, AS, Alt.

On Jan 24, 4:53 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
" wrote in news:6320e4d4-a223-4d50-
:

On Jan 24, 10:19 am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:

Correct. So if two pilots who have far superior skill and judegement
than you or I, that are flying one of the most technically advanced GA
aircraft on the market can get into trouble, the rest of us should
take a moment to pause.

-Robert

The G1000 equipped 182 may be technically advanced, but I'm not a big
fan of the backup instrument layout and the lack of an electrically-
driven turn coordinator.

Whats the backup consist of?

Bertie

AI, ASI, DG offset down and to the right.