Boeing Awarded Two Contracts

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/bus...hter+contracts

More Super Hornets and the EA-18G Growler go-ahead...

Rob

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More Super Hornets and the EA-18G Growler go-ahead...

It's only the second batch of Super Hornets, it's looking like that
third batch isn't going to be bought. And it looks like the 90 Growlers
are going to be part of that 210.

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"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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(robert arndt) wrote:


http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/bus...10879C56DA8BF2

686256E0C00194866?OpenDocument&Headline=Boeing+lan ds+two+fighter+contracts

More Super Hornets and the EA-18G Growler go-ahead...

It's only the second batch of Super Hornets, it's looking like that
third batch isn't going to be bought. And it looks like the 90 Growlers
are going to be part of that 210.

Nice speculation Chad, but as usual, you are mistaken. The Navy loves the
F-18 and it is advantaged over even the F-35, due to it's COTS design.

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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

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It's only the second batch of Super Hornets, it's looking like that
third batch isn't going to be bought. And it looks like the 90 Growlers
are going to be part of that 210.

Nice speculation Chad, but as usual, you are mistaken.

Nope. The recent buy of 210 is only the second batch out of what was
supposed to be 538, and it's not likely to be extended (since this buy
is only good through 2010). The 2010 date was supposed to be the end of
the oroginal F/A-18E/F buy, and about half of this buy are F/A-18G
Growlers to replace the Prowler. So the F-18 has been cut back by about
200 planes. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

The Navy loves the F-18 and it is advantaged over even the F-35, due
to it's COTS design.

....which is why they're cutting back on the F-18 buy so much, and
substituting F-18G models for the regular ones?

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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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It's only the second batch of Super Hornets, it's looking like that
third batch isn't going to be bought. And it looks like the 90
Growlers
are going to be part of that 210.

Nice speculation Chad, but as usual, you are mistaken.

Nope. The recent buy of 210 is only the second batch out of what was
supposed to be 538, and it's not likely to be extended (since this buy
is only good through 2010).

Actually, the original purchase was for 526 and if you check Boeing's
website there are about 20 additions, today. As posted by Doering, IIRC.

The 2010 date was supposed to be the end of
the oroginal F/A-18E/F buy, and about half of this buy are F/A-18G
Growlers to replace the Prowler. So the F-18 has been cut back by about
200 planes. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

No, the F/A-18 was always intended to replace all execept the F/A-18As.
What has happened is that the Navy has bought the second option of the
original contract and added R&D money for an electronics bird designated
"G". In combat, the F/A-18E exibited extraordinary reliability and this
pleased the Navy greatly.

The Navy loves the F-18 and it is advantaged over even the F-35, due
to it's COTS design.

...which is why they're cutting back on the F-18 buy so much, and
substituting F-18G models for the regular ones?

LOL

Buy a vowel son ...

Tarver,
Nice of you to speak for the entire Navy, but you must be only
speaking of the Contractors, PMA guys and bean counters that can't
see the forest through the trees. COTS is good if you have the sparing
and support, (rare). But bad for long term sparing and support. TAT on
COTS sucks, we rob mission birds at home to support deployed assets.
In addition, proper training is rarely given to maintain a COTS
system, so you need underfunded CETS support to follow you everywhere.
COTS problems are programatic. So, you might be right about the
Contractors, PMA guys and bean-counters loving COTS, but certainly not
from a front line maintenance manager standpoint.

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 08:50:27 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
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"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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(robert arndt) wrote:


http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/bus...10879C56DA8BF2

686256E0C00194866?OpenDocument&Headline=Boeing+la nds+two+fighter+contracts

More Super Hornets and the EA-18G Growler go-ahead...

It's only the second batch of Super Hornets, it's looking like that
third batch isn't going to be bought. And it looks like the 90 Growlers
are going to be part of that 210.

Nice speculation Chad, but as usual, you are mistaken. The Navy loves the
F-18 and it is advantaged over even the F-35, due to it's COTS design.

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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
m...
In article ,
"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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It's only the second batch of Super Hornets, it's looking like that
third batch isn't going to be bought. And it looks like the 90
Growlers
are going to be part of that 210.

Nice speculation Chad, but as usual, you are mistaken.

Nope. The recent buy of 210 is only the second batch out of what was
supposed to be 538, and it's not likely to be extended (since this buy
is only good through 2010).

Actually, the original purchase was for 526 and if you check Boeing's
website there are about 20 additions, today. As posted by Doering, IIRC.

I've seen different numbers, but even with the 526, that's a lot less
planes (less than 450, and 90 of those will be G models, instead of the
500+ F/A-18E/F).

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"fudog50" wrote in message
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Tarver,
Nice of you to speak for the entire Navy,

Guys on boats like the F-18Es reliability.

but you must be only
speaking of the Contractors, PMA guys and bean counters that can't
see the forest through the trees. COTS is good if you have the sparing
and support, (rare).

LOL

OK

COTS allows engineers to buy parts, as opposed to designing to now expired
component Mil-specs. The first real benifit of COTS was seen in Desert
Storm, where the USAF had greatly improved missiles. Allowing engineers to
buy parts to test solid fuels created technology during the 1980s and the in
service reliabity data tied to Mil-Hbk 217F. Once an engineer adopts the
way of thinking that some parts/lines* count is directly tied to reliabilty,
(statistical) then they will "design for reliability by using less
lines/parts.

* software code.

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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It's only the second batch of Super Hornets, it's looking like
that
third batch isn't going to be bought. And it looks like the 90
Growlers
are going to be part of that 210.

Nice speculation Chad, but as usual, you are mistaken.

Nope. The recent buy of 210 is only the second batch out of what was
supposed to be 538, and it's not likely to be extended (since this buy
is only good through 2010).

Actually, the original purchase was for 526 and if you check Boeing's
website there are about 20 additions, today. As posted by Doering,
IIRC.

I've seen different numbers, but even with the 526, that's a lot less
planes (less than 450, and 90 of those will be G models, instead of the
500+ F/A-18E/F).

210 + 222 = 432

You don't really get how business is done, Irby.

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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote:

I've seen different numbers, but even with the 526, that's a lot less
planes (less than 450, and 90 of those will be G models, instead of the
500+ F/A-18E/F).

210 + 222 = 432

You don't really get how business is done, Irby.

Well, since 432 is less than 450, and both are less than the 538/526,
that's a decrease.

And I *do* get how business is done. When you've got a new plane with a
bunch of new capabilities coming up, you buy less of the old ones. It's
been that way in the military for longer than any of us have been alive.

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