Old airframe, new engine

Every year or so I post a similar version of this. Always nice to see
the comments. Seeing as how we have a few new faces around here now
lets have another go at it.

You are able to select any tactical jet airframe from the past. We'll
assume all engines would fit properly. What bird would you like to
fly again if it had modern engines and avionics as well?

My first tour of duty was at NKX when Fightertown meant F-4's and
F-8's. Always wondered what a new series engine would have done for
the Crusader.





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Jim Strand wrote:
Every year or so I post a similar version of
this. Always nice to see
the comments. Seeing as how we have a few new
faces around here now
lets have another go at it.

You are able to select any tactical jet airframe
from the past. We'll
assume all engines would fit properly. What
bird would you like to
fly again if it had modern engines and avionics
as well?

My first tour of duty was at NKX when Fightertown
meant F-4's and
F-8's. Always wondered what a new series engine
would have done for
the Crusader.





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Here's mine:

1) A-6
2) F-4E
3) A-4
4) A-7


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On 10/14/03 9:49 AM, in article 3f8c0d21$1@bg2., "Matt Wiser"
wrote:


Jim Strand wrote:
Every year or so I post a similar version of
this. Always nice to see
the comments. Seeing as how we have a few new
faces around here now
lets have another go at it.

You are able to select any tactical jet airframe
from the past. We'll
assume all engines would fit properly. What
bird would you like to
fly again if it had modern engines and avionics
as well?

My first tour of duty was at NKX when Fightertown
meant F-4's and
F-8's. Always wondered what a new series engine
would have done for
the Crusader.





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ACC USN ret.
NKX, BIKF, NAB, CV-63, NIR
67-69 69-71 71-74 77-80 80-85
&
74-77

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Here's mine:

1) A-6
SNIP

Ditto.

A-6E (naturally) upgraded to the A-6F would have been good enough for me.
Unfortunately, the tail couldn't handle the normal shock from the 404.

I'd also love to see engines in the F/A-18 that would give it the T/W of the
Viper. Pipe dream.

--Woody

Re the 'Rutowski' climb path. We got the word from Eglin AFB around
1965 and used it in the 104A with the old J79-3b engine. It worked
nicely but had to be flown precisely to avoid wasting fuel. When we
got the J79-19 it was such a thrust improvement (17900 vice 13850) we
didn't bother. One nifty climb profile was to accelerate to 600 KIAS
at say 1000 AGL after T/O (height optional as long as you didn't get
caught) about a mile or so off the end of the runway and then maintain
600 to crossover to M2.0. Made for quick intercepts and was quite
exhilirating! This was a real case of a new engine (F4E/S)in an old
(1956) airframe.
Walt BJ

"Jim Strand" wrote in message
...
Every year or so I post a similar version of this. Always nice to see
the comments. Seeing as how we have a few new faces around here now
lets have another go at it.

You are able to select any tactical jet airframe from the past. We'll
assume all engines would fit properly. What bird would you like to
fly again if it had modern engines and avionics as well?

My first tour of duty was at NKX when Fightertown meant F-4's and
F-8's. Always wondered what a new series engine would have done for
the Crusader.

From my generation it would be the following,

Attack: I think it would have to be an A-4. An afterburner TF30-3 of about
18,000 lbs thrust would have made it an even better "Hot Rod". I didn't have
a lot of hours in it, but it was pure fun.

Fighter: The F-8/RF-8 would be my first choice. It needed an engine of about
5,000 lbs more thrust. I would have liked to fly the F104 though, just to
see what it would do. I think I would like a ride in an MIG-21 though. It
was the "boogie-man" for so many years it would be nice to see what it would
really do.

For hauling ass: The RA-5C with the dash 10 engines of course. Maybe another
couple 1000 lbs thrust and the ability to pull 4 or 5 G's. A strong second
would have to be the F-105. Although the B-58 that made the low level
supersonic flight from Texas to Calif and back was probably the all-time
champ.

From later generation aircraft: I guess the only one that excites me is the
F-16. Maybe low level ride in a B1B. I don't get turned on by the F-14,
F-15, F/A-18, or any of the others.

Yeah, I know the B-58 and the B1B were not tactical aircraft, but this is
make believe anyway.

For me the winner would be the F-8. You never forget your first love.
Whether it was climbing out of Key West after a Cuban MIG, doing a vertical
pass on a Bear, or flying under the power lines in southern California
trying to sneak up on Yuma it was great aircraft.

On 10/14/03 11:05 AM, in article
, "R"
wrote:


"Jim Strand" wrote in message
...
Every year or so I post a similar version of this. Always nice to see
SNIP

For me the winner would be the F-8. You never forget your first love.
Whether it was climbing out of Key West after a Cuban MIG, doing a vertical
pass on a Bear, or flying under the power lines in southern California

Something tells me that "under" the power lines was once an "over" but
became an "under" over time.

trying to sneak up on Yuma it was great aircraft.



--Woody

"Doug "Woody" and Erin Beal" wrote in message
...
On 10/14/03 11:05 AM, in article
, "R"
wrote:


"Jim Strand" wrote in message
...
Every year or so I post a similar version of this. Always nice to see
SNIP

For me the winner would be the F-8. You never forget your first love.
Whether it was climbing out of Key West after a Cuban MIG, doing a
vertical
pass on a Bear, or flying under the power lines in southern California

Something tells me that "under" the power lines was once an "over" but
became an "under" over time.


Well it only happened once! I could have sworn that the power lines were a
couple miles on the other side of the Aqueduct.:-)

Heck, I was lucky, one F-8 driver put out the lights in SoCal, (actually it
was daylight, but never let the facts interfere with a good sea story.) Both
he and the aircraft survived, to face the wrath. It just proved that the
titanium intake was a good cable cutter.

trying to sneak up on Yuma it was great aircraft.



--Woody

Besides if it didn't happen that way it should have.

Red

Doug "Woody" and Erin Beal wrote:

On 10/14/03 11:05 AM, in article
, "R"
wrote:


"Jim Strand" wrote in message
...
Every year or so I post a similar version of this. Always nice to see
SNIP

For me the winner would be the F-8. You never forget your first love.
Whether it was climbing out of Key West after a Cuban MIG, doing a vertical
pass on a Bear, or flying under the power lines in southern California

Something tells me that "under" the power lines was once an "over" but
became an "under" over time.

Check out the F-4 at the Combat Air Museum in Toopeka KS. It is called
the Wichita Lineman since it came back from a mission streaming cable
from the vertical stabilizer.

MAH

I did not see it listed on the web site.
http://www.combatairmuseum.org/aircraft.htm

Any other information on this bird?

Woody

mah wrote:
Check out the F-4 at the Combat Air Museum in Toopeka KS. It is called
the Wichita Lineman since it came back from a mission streaming cable
from the vertical stabilizer.

MAH

James Woody wrote:

I did not see it listed on the web site.
http://www.combatairmuseum.org/aircraft.htm

Any other information on this bird?

Woody

The aircraft was there 3 years ago during my visit. I assume it is
still there. I'll look through my photos and see if I can dig up a tail
number.

MAH