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(John Mazor) wrote: Steve Hix simpered: Too technical for you, John? In article , (Peter Stickney) wrote: Well, there's canvas and then there's canvas. The first two dictionary entries that pop up for me read as follows: 1) A strong cloth made of hemp, flax, or cotton; - used for tents, sails, etc. 2) a) A coarse cloth so woven as to form regular meshes for working with the needle, as in tapestry, or worsted work. b) A piece of strong cloth of which the surface has been prepared to receive painting, commonly painting in oil. So, at a glance, Irish Linen could, in fact, be considered a type of canvas, or, perhaps a cotton twill. Cotten yes, twill oh no. Canvas is a plainweave fabric, strictly alternating over and under of warp (lengthwise) and weft (across). Twill weaves involve the warp/weft pattern varying in particular ways. Silly. Note that the "Silly" above was added by John Mazor, for whatever reason helps him sleep better at night. A 2/2 twill has the warp skip over twice, then under, while the weft also skips over then under. Mmmm. Denim is a usually this type of twill, and is the reason you see the diagonal pattern on the surface of the cloth. (Blue jeans "denim" usually uses dyed warp, in blue, with undyed weft. It got its name because it was first commercially woven in Nimes, so fabric "de Nimes" became "denim". Or so the story goes.) Lovely. Don't you think? Hmmm? As was the "Lovely...Hmmm?" segment. Other twills might be 3/3 or 3/2 or other patterns. IIRC, the Wrights used a Sateen, which is a cotton with a treated surface. Sateen can be cotton or linen, or sometimes rayon. It's tightly-woven tight clenched young warp-emphasis (not a "balanced weave - ooooohhh") fabric intended to look like satin. simper involutary twitch of all-too-expressive wrist Etc. etc. etc. Mazor seems to be getting quite worked up, for some reason. The weave makes it hold its shape well wink, rather than being stretchy, like a knit or crocheted fabric. A perle cotton, treated by strong alkaline (IIRC) is shiny, and would look very like satin. Sorry, I got a little wound up. moue And the "moue". (I'd be handweaving now, but things are in disarray at the house, and the looms aren't accessible until quite a bit of jun...um...stuff gets reorganized after the carpet replacement.) Shouldn't you be out there sodomizing young boys, Bishop? John Mazor No, John. Probably better if you didn't project your own problems on others. (And who the hell is "Bishop"?) I got interested in weaving through historical reenactments, where I was involved in competitive target shooting. And why in the world should you care, one way or the other. If you're not interested in some hobby, too bad. Most people probably aren't interested in whatever yours might be. So what? If Rosie Grier could take up needlepoint, I don't see any problem with handweaving as a hobby. Not that I'd care in any case. Oh, almost forgot: FOAD, Mazor. |
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"Steve Hix" wrote in message
... No, John. Probably better if you didn't project your own problems on others. (And who the hell is "Bishop"?) I got interested in weaving through historical reenactments, where I was involved in competitive target shooting. And why in the world should you care, one way or the other. If you're not interested in some hobby, too bad. Most people probably aren't interested in whatever yours might be. So what? If Rosie Grier could take up needlepoint, I don't see any problem with handweaving as a hobby. Not that I'd care in any case. The idiosyncratic Montréal Canadiens goaltender, Jacques Plante, was famous for knitting, even in the dressing room. Why shouldn't lesser mortals like ourselves take up such crafts? -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) |
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Mary Shafer wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 21:41:47 -0400, (Peter Stickney) wrote: Well, there's canvas and then there's canvas. The first two dictionary entries that pop up for me read as follows: 2) a) A coarse cloth so woven as to form regular meshes for working with the needle, as in tapestry, or worsted work. I needlepoint (do canvas work) and it's certainly not what you'd use to cover a wing. The holes are bigger than the warp and weft threads. Canvas, as in the fabric used in sails, is tabby weave, like duck. It can be made from cotton, hemp, linen, ramie, or other fibers. The weight and the closeness of the weave varies. So, at a glance, Irish Linen could, in fact, be considered a type of canvas, or, perhaps a cotton twill. IIRC, the Wrights used a Sateen, which is a cotton with a treated surface. Nope. Sateen is a weave, just like twill. It's not treated and it's not necessarily cotton. Rather, it has floating threads on the surface, just like satin. In fact, the difference between sateen and satin is whether it's the warp threads or the woof threads that float. Anyway, sateen can be made from any fiber, although some of them aren't as practical as others. So can twill and satin, for that matter. I had a vague memory that the 1903 Flyer was covered with cotton muslin. So I googled around and discovered that while the 1900-1902 gliders were indeed covered in "French sateen", the 1903 Flyer was covered in "Pride of the West" brand muslin, a very fine weave commonly used for petticoats. Once they went into series production, they used waterproofed cotton cloth (rubberized) for the wing coverings. -Marc -- Marc Reeve actual email address after removal of 4s & spaces is c4m4r4a4m4a4n a4t c4r4u4z4i4o d4o4t c4o4m |
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