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Old June 19th 05, 12:11 AM
kontiki
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Javier Henderson wrote:
Hm.. I've owned a couple of Tigers, I'd get about 135KTAS on the
average. I thought the Arrow would be closer to 150 KTAS?

-jav


The Arrows I've flown generally cruise at about 135kts.

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Old June 19th 05, 12:18 AM
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kontiki writes:

Javier Henderson wrote:
Hm.. I've owned a couple of Tigers, I'd get about 135KTAS on the
average. I thought the Arrow would be closer to 150 KTAS?


The Arrows I've flown generally cruise at about 135kts.


I guess I haven't missed much!

My Skylane cruises at 135 KTAS also, on about 13-14 GPH. The Tiger did
it on about 9.5 GPH, I sure do miss those fuel flows...

-jav
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Old June 19th 05, 12:22 AM
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kontiki wrote:

Hm.. I've owned a couple of Tigers, I'd get about 135KTAS on the
average. I thought the Arrow would be closer to 150 KTAS?

The Arrows I've flown generally cruise at about 135kts.


I've seen 140+ ktas in an arrow 180. But I've only flown
that arrow on one round trip.

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Old June 19th 05, 01:52 AM
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Sure, the RG.

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...For a fairer comparison, you need to compare a Piper Arrow with
the Cessna Cardinal (177).



177 RG :-)


Montblack



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Old June 19th 05, 01:29 PM
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Javier Henderson wrote:
kontiki writes:


Javier Henderson wrote:

Hm.. I've owned a couple of Tigers, I'd get about 135KTAS on the
average. I thought the Arrow would be closer to 150 KTAS?


The Arrows I've flown generally cruise at about 135kts.



I guess I haven't missed much!

My Skylane cruises at 135 KTAS also, on about 13-14 GPH. The Tiger did
it on about 9.5 GPH, I sure do miss those fuel flows...

-jav


My Turbo Arrow IV cruises 135 KTAS on 9 - 10 GPH near surface,
and 150 KTAS with same flow at FL 100.

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Old June 20th 05, 04:08 AM
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I would like to know the advantages and disadvantages of these
aircraft. They have aproximately the same performance with a
significant difference in the fuel consumption. What about maintenance
cost? Please post your comments.



Your assessment is generally correct -- similar performance with much
lower fuel consumption for the Arrow. At 75% power, the normally
aspirated Arrow will cruise at around 141 kts on a bit over 10 gph.
The C-182 will cruise at around 135 kts on about 13.5 gph. The C-182's
useful load is greater, but some of that advantage is lost to the
larger fuel load needed to fly a given mission. I think that you will
find that the payloads available when fueled for a 500 nm flight with
IFR reserves will be surprisingly close.

Newer Arrows (from Arrow III on) have much greater range because of
their very generous fuel capacity, which is great when the cabin load
is relatively light. Of course, you can't fill both the tanks and all
of the seats.

Some say the C-182 has a more comfortable cabin. It probably is a bit
roomier, but I've flown many hours in both models and I'm not sure I
could give you a preference for comfort.

The RG on the Arrow will entail a bit of extra maintenance cost, but
not nearly as much as some suggest. Over 10 years of owning an Arrow
I'd say that the gear has cost an average of about $300/year to
maintain. We recently got a comparison on insurance rates and it turns
out that, all else being equal we would pay about $290/year less for
coverage on a C-182. So, if you fly any reasonable number of
hours/year, with today's fuel prices, the Arrow will come out ahead in
terms of total operating costs.

If you are looking at Arrows, note that the fuselage stretch with the
-II model adds a good bit of rear seat legroom.

-Elliott Drucker

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Old June 20th 05, 01:51 PM
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Owned and flown both many hours... It's the SKYLANE, hands down...
Nearest thing to a pickup truck in it's class...

denny

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Old June 20th 05, 04:52 PM
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Javier Henderson writes:

kontiki writes:


Javier Henderson wrote:
Hm.. I've owned a couple of Tigers, I'd get about 135KTAS on the
average. I thought the Arrow would be closer to 150 KTAS?


The Arrows I've flown generally cruise at about 135kts.


I guess I haven't missed much!


My Skylane cruises at 135 KTAS also, on about 13-14 GPH. The Tiger did
it on about 9.5 GPH, I sure do miss those fuel flows...


I get 135 knots -calibrated- at 9.2 gallons on my 200hp Arrow. (That's
running lean of peak, GAMIs and EI engine analyzer, so it's going to take
me a while to pay off the equipment with the fuel savings. I was using
11GPH prior to the upgrade.)

-Jack
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Old June 20th 05, 05:30 PM
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The 182 holds more load but at a HUGE price. The 182 burns a lot of gas
to go so slow. The 182 also has the standard issues with the Cont 230hp
engine, few owners are able to get tops to make it to TBO. The 200hp
Arrow runs the bullet proof Lyc IO-360 engine that will easily make
TBO. Of course, the Arrow is really just a slower version of the
Mooney, but you didn't ask that. The Arrow and Mooney cabins are the
same size (almost down to the inch) although both got longer in the mid
70's.

-Robert, CFI (182s,Arrows,Mooneys, etc, etc)

 




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