Accidents happen...

Aviation isn't all that difficult, but it is extremely unforgiving of poor
judgment or inattention.

This is a good quote. Can I use it if I give you credit?

Sure -- but, as others have pointed out, it's really a paraphrase.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:27:29 +0100, Manuel
wrote in ::

Is there a possibility that the cause may have been wake turbulence?



Apparently not: there were no other airplanes around before him.

-Manuel




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Jay Honeck wrote:

Just curious: Was he trying to do a "go around"?



Apparently yes ... actually, it was a bit more complicated than that.
Unfortunately I'm not supposed to share the other information I have
right now. I'll let you know when everything is over... thank you for
your replies!

-Manuel


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On 2004-11-22 20:20, Friedrich Ostertag wrote:
Hi Bob,


"Flying is not inherently dangerous, but to an even greater extent
than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of carelessness, incapacity,
or neglect" - anon, quotation familiar to all aviators.


To which another anon has answered:

"Flying IS inherently dangerous. Only a well trained crew and a well
maintained aircraft can keep the risk at an acceptable level."

I like this. Applies to other things, too.

regards,
Friedrich

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Living is dangerous.
But no fear, you will be OK afterwards.

/JC (I think)

"C Kingsbury" wrote in message
ink.net...
The number in the book is for a plane at gross weight with the engine at
idle. It's the number at which the rudder runs out of effectiveness to
keep
the nose aligned with the runway. So you blow it over with the prop. Of

How do you use prop on a single engine plane to improve alignment to the
runway? Rudder and ailerons I understand. And on a dual engine airplane I
understand how you could (in theory) use prop to improve alignment. But
how would you use prop in a single engine airplane?

--
Will
westes AT earthbroadcast.com

"CHANGE USERNAME TO westes" wrote in
message ...
[...] But how would you use prop in a single engine airplane?

I assume he means that with power on (rather than at idle), the prop
slipstream provides a some extra rudder authority.

"C Kingsbury" wrote
The number in the book is for a plane at gross weight with the engine at
idle. It's the number at which the rudder runs out of effectiveness to keep
the nose aligned with the runway.

Actually, no. It would make sense if that were the case, which is why
it's not

In reality, the max demonstrated crosswind component is at least 20%
of Vso - and above and beyond that, it's a compromise between what
legal and marketing want. It's certainly not the best the factory
test pilot can do, and depending on technique it need not be the best
you can do, but there is no guarantee that the max demonstrated
crosswind component will not be more (or less) than the plane can
handle by the wing-low method at short field approach speed. It's not
a certification requirement.

BTW, lightly loaded makes crosswind harder, not easier, because your
stall speed goes down, and thus the crosswind as a fraction of stall
speed goes up.

Michael

In article , CHANGE USERNAME TO westes wrote:
How do you use prop on a single engine plane to improve alignment to the
runway? Rudder and ailerons I understand. And on a dual engine airplane I

In a tractor configured (i.e. engine and prop on the nose, single fin
directly in line with the fuselage and in the propwash) single engine
plane, at low speeds the propwash over the tail surfaces make the rudder
much more effective if you give the engine some power. Fly a taildragger
which has a free castoring tailwheel and useless brakes and you soon
learn how a quick 'goose' on the throttle can help you taxi around a
corner in a quartering tailwind.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:27:29 +0100, Manuel
wrote:

Unfortunately accidents do happen, but it was the first time I had
somewhat to do with it. The airplane I usually fly with, a Piper Arrow
from the local flight school and FBO, crashed on landing during a
cross-country flight to Florence (Italy). The plane suddenly banked to
the left 10 feet over the runway, then struck the airport fence.

snip
This event really struck me, you never think this can happen to you, or
at your FBO.

Sorry if that's not really a constructive post, I just had to tell
someone...

First, I'm glad to hear every one is going to make it.

Actually I think the post is quite appropriate from a number of
angles.

Once things deviate from normal they can go to Hell unbelievably fast.

The flight is never over until you are parked.

I've seen planes depart from controlled flight and that slippery slope
is not only slippery and steep it gets steeper by the moment.

The points being, what ever the reason for the departure from
controlled flight it can happen at any time and without warning.
I've had the Deb stall in level flight at 5500 feet on a beautiful
clear day. I've seen a 172 on final get a bit slow, over correct
with power, and then turn it into a lawn dart. Fortunately no one was
even hurt but the plane was pretty much totaled. The wings even had
shoulders. I saw a Beech Mousekateer land with a slight down wind and
start to porpoise. Three times and out. He busted the nose gear off
out on the main runway right in front of a whole crowd of parents
waiting for their kids to go on "Young Eagles" rides. There sat that
poor old Musketeer with it's tail feathers sticking up in the air.

Never get complacent or relax your guard until the plane is parked.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

-Manuel
PPL(A) SEP


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"Bob Fry" wrote in message
...

"Flying is not inherently dangerous, but to an even greater extent
than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of carelessness, incapacity,
or neglect" - anon, quotation familiar to all aviators.

Attributed to Capt A G Lamplugh, one of the founders of the British Aviation
Insurance Group.

Julian Scarfe