Why We Lost The Vietnam War

On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:23:05 -0000, "Spiv" wrote:


No. See Keith's post.

I did and it is just inane babble. The Comet was first in 1958.


Having to refuel in Gander doesnt make it the 1st non stop trans atlantic
services you ignorant clown.



The Nimrod (a Comet) is a cost effective plane

It is ********. Cost effectiveness is the reason why just about every other
country in the world uses propellor driven aircraft for maritime patrol.


greg

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You do a lot less thundering in the pulpit against the Harlot
after she marches right down the aisle and kicks you in the nuts.

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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Slowly in a water tank surrounded by cameramen


Sure, you can do anything in a movie. The "Airport" series got weirder with
each film. I have a 1977-78 edition of Janes ATWA, it gives the volume of
the passenger deck of a basic Model 747 as 27,860 cubic feet. A cubic foot
of water weighs over 62 pounds, so the dry passenger deck is displacing over
1.7 million pounds, which is more than twice the maximum takeoff weight.

"John R Weiss" wrote in message
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Slowly, via water intake through the outflow valves that are normally open
at/near landing altitude. Depending on how far submerged the fuselage is,
the negative pressure relief valves in the cargo doors could also let in
water.


In the film, it went down rather quickly, less than 30 seconds as I recall,
and the carpet didn't even get damp.

"Greg Hennessy" wrote in message
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Having to refuel in Gander doesnt make it the 1st non stop trans atlantic
services you ignorant clown.


It does if Gander is the destination. But, of course, Gander was not the
destination.

On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:31:42 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"Greg Hennessy" wrote in message
.. .

Having to refuel in Gander doesnt make it the 1st non stop trans atlantic
services you ignorant clown.


It does if Gander is the destination. But, of course, Gander was not the
destination.



Quite.


greg

--
You do a lot less thundering in the pulpit against the Harlot
after she marches right down the aisle and kicks you in the nuts.

Peter Skelton wrote in message . ..
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:49:41 -0500, (Peter
Stickney) wrote:
To add some Military Content. The groundings and losses did not
necessarily mean the immediate scrapping of the Comet I. DH _did_
infact, come up with a rebuild program that would allow the airplane
to have some useful life. The only Comet Customer who took them up on
this was the Royal Canadian Air Force, which had purchased two Comets
to support the First Air Division in Europe. These remained in
service until the early 1960s.

ISTR Comets in service with Freddie Laker into the 70's. Dan Air
used them until Nov. 3, '80 (something over 110 passengers which
must have been fun.)

Those were Comet IVs, not Comet Is. Basically an entirely new
airframe with a Comet-like shape. They were entirely redesigned
structurally, and a bit larger. (71,760 kg MTOW rather than
47,620 kg) They used Rolls Avons (With about twice the push)
rather than the centrifugal DH Ghosts.
The Comet IV was actually a pretty good airplane. Unfortunately,
it took about 4 years to get the Comet IV redesigned and off the
ground. By that time, instead of competing with DC-6s and Lockheed
749 Constellations, it was competing with the Boeing 707 and the
Douglas DC-8. At that point, it was too slow, and too short-ranged.
(Pan Am 707 used to take off about a half-hour after BOAC Comet IVs,
and they made a point of announcing when they passed the Comets
somewhere between Iceland and Greenland.

--
Pete Stickney

From: Jim Watt _way


On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:43:07 +0000, John Mullen
wrote:

snip

How about a discussion of the effectivness of jet airliners
as submarines ?

--
Jim Watt http://www.gibnet.com

They did that in one of the Airport movies in the 1970s.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Greg Hennessy" wrote in message
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Having to refuel in Gander doesnt make it the 1st non stop trans
atlantic
services you ignorant clown.


It does if Gander is the destination. But, of course, Gander was not the
destination.

If Gander is the other side of the Atlantic then it is the first
transatlantic service. Can't you figure that out?

"Peter Stickney" wrote in message
om...
Peter Skelton wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:49:41 -0500, (Peter
Stickney) wrote:
To add some Military Content. The groundings and losses did not
necessarily mean the immediate scrapping of the Comet I. DH _did_
infact, come up with a rebuild program that would allow the airplane
to have some useful life. The only Comet Customer who took them up on
this was the Royal Canadian Air Force, which had purchased two Comets
to support the First Air Division in Europe. These remained in
service until the early 1960s.

ISTR Comets in service with Freddie Laker into the 70's. Dan Air
used them until Nov. 3, '80 (something over 110 passengers which
must have been fun.)

Those were Comet IVs, not Comet Is. Basically an entirely new
airframe with a Comet-like shape. They were entirely redesigned
structurally, and a bit larger. (71,760 kg MTOW rather than
47,620 kg) They used Rolls Avons (With about twice the push)
rather than the centrifugal DH Ghosts.
The Comet IV was actually a pretty good airplane. Unfortunately,
it took about 4 years to get the Comet IV redesigned and off the
ground. By that time, instead of competing with DC-6s and Lockheed
749 Constellations, it was competing with the Boeing 707 and the
Douglas DC-8. At that point, it was too slow, and too short-ranged.
(Pan Am 707 used to take off about a half-hour after BOAC Comet IVs,
and they made a point of announcing when they passed the Comets
somewhere between Iceland and Greenland.

The Comet is still flying (the Nimrod) . The last civilian plane was in
1987. That is a long civilian service life. The British government
prevented one of the last from being sold to the USA.

"Spiv" wrote in message
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The Comet is still flying (the Nimrod) . The last civilian plane was in
1987. That is a long civilian service life. The British government
prevented one of the last from being sold to the USA.



This means the last Comet retired from service while the
Boeing 707 line was still producing new aircraft since the
last 707 rolled off the lines in 1991.

Think about it.

Keith