About German Mystery Objects

I see that many people here is the United States cannot comprehend the
developments brought on by the Allied bombing campaign against Germany
during the Second World War.

But over in Germany many such books exist on the subject you Americans
find impossible to discuss civily, German disc planes.

It is very well known that despite huge efforts in the German defense
industry during the war the bombing campaign was wreaking havoc on our
hydronation plants, airfields, aircraft production facilities, and
transport network. Even when new amazing jets arrived they were scarce
on fuel and remained stationary on the ground. Up to 300 Messerschmitt
262's were grounded for that reason alone.

Secondly, Germany lacked pilots to fly the jets. Even the aces from
the prop fighters had a rough time transitioning to jet aircraft and
simultaneously trying to develope new tactics to attack the bombers
with an overtaking speed of close to 300 mph. Do youn realize how
difficult it must have been to dive into the bomber groups at over 550
mph and quickly fire a burst of 30mm cannon ammo? It was very
difficult and then the jet usually was attacked upon landing at its
base, ending up as a fireball on the ground.

Germany needed answers and they tried to think up every concievable
aircraft configuration and powerplant to tackle the bombers.

The SS, however, had been involved in the black arts since the Nazis
took power and had both Hitler's and Himmler's backing to develope
occult craft from the Thule and Vril Gesellschafts. These black
societies centering around occult teachings and two psychic mediums
sometime in the 1930's built a flying disc that utilized technology
derived from occult science. It flew badly and crashed but worked
continued with the help of a Dr. Schumann who invented levitators
centered around a liquid mercury sphere and various spinning internal
disc plates that somehow caused a rotating magnetic field effect.

Some say the technology came from an alien UFO that crashed near
Freiberg in 1936 and was taken to Himmler's castle at Wewelsberg,
reverse engineered. Nevertheless, Thule and Vril continued development
of these RFZ (RundFlugZeug) with models 1-6 up to 1939. By the start
of the war Vril had their own designs of which the often-quoted V-7 is
mentioned. This is a mislabel as it is not part of the
Vergeltungswaffen, just Vril-7. Meanwhile Thule came up with a more
advanced Triebwerk that utilized Coler's free energy machine, a Van
deGraf generator, a mercury sphere, and spherical levitators. This
engine was installed in the large Haunebu craft that flew the Atlantic
and made trips to an area Hitler knew would be safe from Allied
bombing, New Schwabenland in Antartica.

U-boats carried technicians and scientists to a base there, Number
211, via an undersea trench that stretched the entire way through what
was know formerly as Queen Maud Land. Base 211 was carved into a cave
complex similar to Nordhausen and supplied by transport subs,
components of which even the Type XXVI were taken. SS Antartic troops
maintained the base.

The question is: why not use the discs in battle then? The answer was
that they could fly at only certain angles eliminating them as
fighters. Their engines operation killed any normal magnetic compass.
They had no armament fitted except a few experimentals with 2 MGs, a
30mm MK 108, and a Haunebu with some form of turret gun. This has
mistakenly been called a hoax with a panzer 38t turret and gun. If you
examine highly cleaned-up versions of the photos and note the scale
the turret is rounded and not exactly metal. The gun defies comparison
to conventional weapons of the time.

The Germans were trying to develope a wide range of these disc
machines but time ran out. Vril and Thule evacuated to Base 211 and
South America. The other SS projects like the BMW Flugelrad jet-gyros
were destroyed. Schauberger's Repulsine motors were captured as were
Coanda's models of huis Lenticular Disc and Andreas Epps Omega Diskus.
Patents found at the end of the war revealed Focke-Wulf had circular
disc conventional aircraft plans as did Heinkel's engineer Rudolf
Schriever, who swears his Flugkreisel designs were stolen by the SS in
1941.

There seems to be an awful lot of confusion on the part of
investigators and reporters on these machines. Schriever's discs are
always confused with the BMW Flugelrads. They are not the same at all.
The BMWs were built in Prague and utilized BMW 003 jet engines to
power moving rotor blades. Schriever's disc had Jumo 004 jet engines
on the rotor discs and on the lower body. They cannot therfore be the
same. Schriever claimed the SS stole his idea and gave it to a group
of scientists: Habermohl, Miethe, and an Italian Belluzzo. None but
Miethe's design are plausible. Miethe furnished photos of his design
to an Italian magazine after the war. It looks like an enlarged
Repulsine with a cockpit. This makes sense since Schauberger's motor
was perfected by 1944 and a larger version was said to be incorporated
into the SS disc in that same year. Schauberger was a prisoner of the
SS so whatever he developed was passed along to others.

Other than these was a lone private venture by one Arthur Sack who was
a flying model enthusiast with a disc plane on show in a 1939
competition. He impressed Udet who gave hime some scrap to work with.
Amazingly, he had built in a simple workshop a wooden circular wing
aircraft that utilized parts from a Messerschmitt 108 Taifun and an
Argus engine. The machine was very simple and could have flown well
had it not been for the misplacement of the landing gear, an
underpowered engine, and poor tail surfaces. It made a few hops in
1944 and was cut up for firewood.

So when the Allies arrived in Germany they were desperate to find the
mystery disc objects at any cost. Since the SS controlled these
machines they did not want to surrender to either the Red Army or US
Army for fear of reprisal killings. Instead, they moved north and
surrendered to the British Army which hadn't any idea what all this
material and documentation was. They did crate everything and boxcar
it on a train stretching for miles. They then shipped it from a French
port to Britain where they astoundingly couldn't make the machines
work properly. Both the US and USSR had been hunting for the discs so
Britain moved them to Canada for testing and the rest is history X.

However, what they got must have been a jet design due to AVRO
proceeding in that direction. No Vril or Haunebu fell into Allied
hands. Admiral Byrd set out in 1947 with a military task force to
recon New Schwabenland, find Base 211, and destroy it. He was
repulsed. Sightings of Vril and Haunebu type UFOs surfaced all over
South America and South Atlantic. U-boats came back montha after V-E
day with their cargos missing. Another U-boat was intercepted carrying
tons of nothing but liquid mercury. Germany must have secured the ice
fortress because no one goes there today.

In the '50s South Americans reported U-boats still operating in their
waters and in the '90s a strange photo showed up in Germany's news- a
gun supposedly captured during Byrd's expedition. It was a German
assault rifle unlike any other that fired a squeeze-round. It
supposedly was taken from the dead body of an SS Antartic trooper. The
name Schwinder was on it. No one has ever explained that.

People in South America believe the Nazis still have bases there and
in Antartica. Some people in Germany believe that too. It sounds wild
yet there is so much information circulating.

Anyone care to add to this conversation?

Erich Adler

Some say the technology came from an alien UFO that crashed near
Freiberg in 1936 and was taken to Himmler's castle at Wewelsberg,

Yes, that would explain it, all right.

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"Erich Adler" wrote in message
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I see that many people here is the United States cannot comprehend

Yes, you got to the root of the problem in your first sentence, us
people here in the United States just can't comprehend, there was no need to
read the rest of your post.

Good day;
Vaughn

"Erich Adler" wrote in message
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U-boats carried technicians and scientists to a base there, Number
211, via an undersea trench that stretched the entire way through what
was know formerly as Queen Maud Land. Base 211 was carved into a cave
complex similar to Nordhausen and supplied by transport subs,
components of which even the Type XXVI were taken. SS Antartic troops
maintained the base.


So what was the labour force used to construct this base in the Antarctic ?

Nordhausen required the efforts of 10's of thousands of slave laborers.
Who did they refind to recruit in the Antarctic , trained penguins perhaps ?


The question is: why not use the discs in battle then? The answer was
that they could fly at only certain angles eliminating them as
fighters. Their engines operation killed any normal magnetic compass.
They had no armament fitted except a few experimentals with 2 MGs, a
30mm MK 108, and a Haunebu with some form of turret gun. This has
mistakenly been called a hoax with a panzer 38t turret and gun. If you
examine highly cleaned-up versions of the photos and note the scale
the turret is rounded and not exactly metal. The gun defies comparison
to conventional weapons of the time.


As it didnt exist except in the fevered imaginations of a number
of deranged individuals comparing to anything real would be
a trfile difficult

deranged ramblings snipped

People in South America believe the Nazis still have bases there and
in Antartica. Some people in Germany believe that too. It sounds wild
yet there is so much information circulating.

Anyone care to add to this conversation?

Yep , you are a grade A loon



Keith

I see that many people here is the United States cannot comprehend

Yes, you got to the root of the problem in your first sentence, us
people here in the United States just can't comprehend, there was no need
to
read the rest of your post.

I just heard that 61% of all US citizens actually belive that the world was
created in 6 days.

So why not belive in flying saucers ? It's after all no different

hehe !

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:34:14 -0000,
Keith Willshaw wrote:

"Erich Adler" wrote in message
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U-boats carried technicians and scientists to a base there, Number
211, via an undersea trench that stretched the entire way through what
was know formerly as Queen Maud Land. Base 211 was carved into a cave
complex similar to Nordhausen and supplied by transport subs,
components of which even the Type XXVI were taken. SS Antartic troops
maintained the base.


So what was the labour force used to construct this base in the Antarctic ?


Shoggoths

Erich Adler wrote:

But over in Germany many such books exist on the subject you Americans
find impossible to discuss civily, German disc planes.


As a German, I feel offended by the implications of the above sentence.

There may be some German books about this topic, but they are _not_
sold in any self-respecting aviation, military or history book shops.
It's stuff for conspiracy whackos and/or neo-nazis. In fact, at least
one of these books (or was it a video tape about the same cr*p? -
don't care) was actually out-lawed in Germany because of its nazi content.

Andreas

Germany lost that is the point here. IT would not have mattered if they had
had mach 2 aircraft, they still would have lost. The Nazi Panzer units had
better tougher tanks, but they could not defeat the out numbering allied
tank force. Sure the Sherman tanks were weaker in armor and armament, but
they out numbered the panzers. Same thing in the air, and after the
successes of the air campaign, Germany had no combat trained pilots any
more. the last days of the third Reich was filled with doubt and indecisions
by a madman who couldn't trust his own generals to get the job done. like
the roman empire and napoleon, they simply outreached their empire. and
could not defend it anymore.

Of course this is my view, and you can disagree with it anyway you choose.

Bill Maddog Maddux

In article ,
walt moffett writes:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:34:14 -0000,
Keith Willshaw wrote:

"Erich Adler" wrote in message
om...


U-boats carried technicians and scientists to a base there, Number
211, via an undersea trench that stretched the entire way through what
was know formerly as Queen Maud Land. Base 211 was carved into a cave
complex similar to Nordhausen and supplied by transport subs,
components of which even the Type XXVI were taken. SS Antartic troops
maintained the base.


So what was the labour force used to construct this base in the Antarctic ?


Shoggoths

Using a map of the Boston Subway System.

--
Pete Stickney
Teki-Li-Li!

In article ,
says...
Some say the technology came from an alien UFO that crashed near
Freiberg in 1936 and was taken to Himmler's castle at Wewelsberg,
reverse engineered. Nevertheless, Thule and Vril continued development
of these RFZ (RundFlugZeug) with models 1-6 up to 1939. By the start
of the war Vril had their own designs of which the often-quoted V-7 is
mentioned. This is a mislabel as it is not part of the

The designation V-1, V-2 etc was not used till late in the war.


Vergeltungswaffen, just Vril-7. Meanwhile Thule came up with a more
advanced Triebwerk that utilized Coler's free energy machine, a Van
deGraf generator, a mercury sphere, and spherical levitators. This
engine was installed in the large Haunebu craft that flew the Atlantic
and made trips to an area Hitler knew would be safe from Allied
bombing, New Schwabenland in Antartica.

U-boats carried technicians and scientists to a base there, Number
211, via an undersea trench that stretched the entire way through what
was know formerly as Queen Maud Land. Base 211 was carved into a cave
complex similar to Nordhausen and supplied by transport subs,
components of which even the Type XXVI were taken. SS Antartic troops
maintained the base.



Never heard of a U-boat base being given a number. No Type XXVI was ever
built in the war. Work only started on it, late in the war so how is it
suppose to be available in 1939? Nor is SS Antartic listed in a
complete list of every SS-Divisionen formed during WWII.





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