ADIZ Violation Explained in AOPA Magazine

Mike Schumann wrote:
Thanks to the stupid AD against allowing cigarette lighters in Cessna 150s, the lighter had been
disconnected in the rental plane they flew. Without on-board power,
Sheaffer left his GPS in the truck.

I read the above as "thanks to the stupid decision of not having fresh
batteries on his GPS receiver..."

Besides, the AD doesn't forbid cigarette lighters, it gives you the
choice of installing a fuse, or disconnecting it.

Most rental Cessnas I came across simply disconnected it (cheaper than
adding a fuse, I guess...)

I haven't yet read the whole article. I guess I now have a lunch time plan.

-jav

Jay Honeck wrote:
Thanks to the stupid AD
against allowing cigarette lighters in Cessna 150s, the lighter had been
disconnected in the rental plane they flew.

You would prefer having the occasional in-flight fire? The owner could have
installed a fuse. If there's any stupidity involved in disconnecting it, it lies
on the shoulders of the owner.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
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I have 0 sympathy for either of these guys. Since when is a GPS required
for VFR navigation? What happened to learning how to read a map and
looking
out the window? Makes you really question a system where you get your
pilots license and you are good to go for life. Maybe there should be
some
periodic retest to make sure people still have the skills they need or
have
learned about new stuff that didn't exist when they first got their
license.

Mike Schumann

You mean something like a BFR?

Jay Honeck wrote:
Thanks to the stupid AD
against allowing cigarette lighters in Cessna 150s, the lighter had been
disconnected in the rental plane they flew.

The AD didn't make the lighter illegal. Cessna in their infinite wisdom
didn't put any circuit protection on the lighter so it was quite
possible to start a fire and never pop a breaker. The AD gave you a
choice. Either disconnect the lighter or put in a breaker.

Now..now..Jay, Being 70 years old doesn't equate to being a
"dumb****".

Bob Moore 70+

Shoot, Bob, I used to think being 40+ meant "dumb ****"... Funny how
that changes with the perspective of 47 years...

:-)

It's not really an age thing, Bob, it's a retirement thing, and a
currency thing. We've got lots of older guys at our airport who "fly
the bench" WAY more than they actually fly. Dunno if it's a matter of
money, or boredom with flying, or what, but it's just a fact -- and
these guys just get rusty.

This Sheaffer fellow seems an awful lot like some of those guys --
except that he hopped in a 150 and blasted off into the most heavily
defended airspace in the world, almost completely unprepared.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I have 0 sympathy for either of these guys. Since when is a GPS required
for VFR navigation? What happened to learning how to read a map and looking
out the window? Makes you really question a system where you get your
pilots license and you are good to go for life. Maybe there should be some
periodic retest to make sure people still have the skills they need or have
learned about new stuff that didn't exist when they first got their license.

Funny. I though that's what a biennial was all about?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Thanks to the stupid AD
against allowing cigarette lighters in Cessna 150s, the lighter had been
disconnected in the rental plane they flew.

The AD didn't make the lighter illegal. Cessna in their infinite wisdom
didn't put any circuit protection on the lighter so it was quite
possible to start a fire and never pop a breaker. The AD gave you a
choice. Either disconnect the lighter or put in a breaker.

Thanks for the correction.

I can't believe people would be so penny-wise and pound-foolish. On
the other hand, the decision to disconnect the lighter was probably
made before the advent of all these hand-held, battery-operated
devices.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
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I have 0 sympathy for either of these guys. Since when is a GPS required
for VFR navigation? What happened to learning how to read a map and
looking out the window?

You have zero sympathy for the student-pilot passenger who hadn't even begun
his cross-country flight-training yet? What sort of navigational
responsibility do you expect such a passenger to bear? (The FAA, of course,
found him to be blameless.)

--Gary

On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 14:08:27 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote in
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Thanks to the stupid AD against allowing cigarette lighters in Cessna 150s,
the lighter had been disconnected in the rental plane they flew. Without
on-board power, Sheaffer left his GPS in the truck.

Are you saying that the FAA had no grounds for the AD?

What prevented the PIC from using his GPS under battery power?

What prevented the PIC (or the student) from carrying a navigational
chart?

They didn't get a weather briefing because of construction in the
terminal building that prevented them from getting into the lounge
where the phone was located.

What prevented the PIC from using his or the student's mobile phone?

How dumb do they get. The should both have their priviledges
suspended.
If you are going to fly near an ADIZ wear a parachute. If you get
caught inside the zone then bail out and hide in the woods. That way
you avoid all the embarassment of being a poor pilot.
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