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Old October 4th 03, 06:15 PM
Dan RatherNot
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There's a show on NPR called Cartalk. 2 car mechanics supposedly giving
advice to callers but really it's just an excuse for them to goof around.
Hysterical. There's a segment about a guy wanting to put a Subaru engine in
an experiment plane. Scroll down to Mazda Miata with Wings
http://cartalk.cars.com/Radio/Back-Tracks/ Broadband helps.

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Old October 5th 03, 12:03 AM
Corrie
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Funny stuff! They sure didn't want to go out on a limb, though.

"Dan RatherNot" wrote in message . ..
There's a show on NPR called Cartalk. 2 car mechanics supposedly giving
advice to callers but really it's just an excuse for them to goof around.
Hysterical. There's a segment about a guy wanting to put a Subaru engine in
an experiment plane. Scroll down to Mazda Miata with Wings
http://cartalk.cars.com/Radio/Back-Tracks/ Broadband helps.

Natural Light Black and White Photography
http://mysite.verizon.net/geost/
-George-

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Old October 5th 03, 06:25 AM
Bart D. Hull
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Ok Guys,

What's so funny about a Soob in a plane? That's precisely what I'm working on.
(Don't worry I don't get uptight about people questioning my motor choice.)

See links below.

For the anti car conversion crowd, I'm not worried about the engine. I've done
the motorcycle, drag truck, dirt track etc and not a single engine has crapped
out on me, yet.

I believe if you take the time and do things right the first time it don't
matter where the engine originally came from.

--
Bart D. Hull

Tempe, Arizona

Check
http://www.inficad.com/~bdhull/engine.html
for my Subaru Engine Conversion
Check http://www.inficad.com/~bdhull/fuselage.html
for Tango II I'm building.

Corrie wrote:
Funny stuff! They sure didn't want to go out on a limb, though.

"Dan RatherNot" wrote in message . ..

There's a show on NPR called Cartalk. 2 car mechanics supposedly giving
advice to callers but really it's just an excuse for them to goof around.
Hysterical. There's a segment about a guy wanting to put a Subaru engine in
an experiment plane. Scroll down to Mazda Miata with Wings
http://cartalk.cars.com/Radio/Back-Tracks/ Broadband helps.

Natural Light Black and White Photography
http://mysite.verizon.net/geost/
-George-




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Old October 5th 03, 10:28 AM
Barnyard BOb --
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What's so funny about a Soob in a plane?


I don't know.
What?

I do know.... the last Soob powered local plane crashed,
burned and the pilot became another fatality statistic off the
end of runway. Maiden flight Propulsion issues.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...12X19459&key=1

YMMV, but you appear to share and reflect the pilot-builder's deadly
attitude. The devil lurks in the 10,000 details.

(Don't worry I don't get uptight about people questioning my motor choice.)
That's precisely what I'm working on.


Any other personal problems that you would care to reveal?

For the anti car conversion crowd, I'm not worried about the engine. I've done
the motorcycle, drag truck, dirt track etc and not a single engine has crapped
out on me, yet.


YET.

I believe if you take the time and do things right the first time it don't
matter where the engine originally came from.

--
Bart D. Hull


WoW....

Nothing quite like well intentioned advice and philosophy
uttered from a semi-literate, neophyte Soob dood's keyboard.

Are you listening, Lycoming and Continental?


Barnyard BOb -- Ignorance is bliss
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Old October 5th 03, 11:07 AM
RSwanson
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Final line of the report:
"The pilot's failure to maintain adequate airspeed which resulted in an
inadvertent stall. Contributing to the accident was the pilot's lack of
experience in this type of airplane."
And THAT has something to do with his engine choice?????????
R

"Barnyard BOb --" wrote in message
...

What's so funny about a Soob in a plane?


I don't know.
What?

I do know.... the last Soob powered local plane crashed,
burned and the pilot became another fatality statistic off the
end of runway. Maiden flight Propulsion issues.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...12X19459&key=1

YMMV, but you appear to share and reflect the pilot-builder's deadly
attitude. The devil lurks in the 10,000 details.

(Don't worry I don't get uptight about people questioning my motor

choice.)
That's precisely what I'm working on.


Any other personal problems that you would care to reveal?

For the anti car conversion crowd, I'm not worried about the engine. I've

done
the motorcycle, drag truck, dirt track etc and not a single engine has

crapped
out on me, yet.


YET.

I believe if you take the time and do things right the first time it

don't
matter where the engine originally came from.

--
Bart D. Hull


WoW....

Nothing quite like well intentioned advice and philosophy
uttered from a semi-literate, neophyte Soob dood's keyboard.

Are you listening, Lycoming and Continental?


Barnyard BOb -- Ignorance is bliss



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Old October 5th 03, 01:02 PM
Barnyard BOb --
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"RSwanson" wrote:

Final line of the report:
"The pilot's failure to maintain adequate airspeed which resulted in an
inadvertent stall. Contributing to the accident was the pilot's lack of
experience in this type of airplane."
And THAT has something to do with his engine choice?????????

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You don't comprehend the TOTAL scenario for beans, do you?
This is a tragic comedy of errors.. not jerror.

You can't cherry pick a last line and expect to learn squat
or argue in an intelligent manner.

To begin with... the prop/engine combo could not pull the plane
though the air with sufficient airspeed above a stall. The
pilot-builder committed a number of errors before, during and
after take off that doomed him.

If the nuances and details of the report escape you , sorry.
The loss is yours.


Barnyard BOb -- 50 years of flight.







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Old October 5th 03, 01:41 PM
Owe Rudbeck
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Dear, dear, dear Bob the accident had noting to do with the
kind of engine. So , it is obviously much cheeper to kill your-
self behind a non Lycosaurus, isnt it?

Owe who only very seldom agrees with You.


"Barnyard BOb --" skrev i meddelandet
...

What's so funny about a Soob in a plane?


I don't know.
What?

I do know.... the last Soob powered local plane crashed,
burned and the pilot became another fatality statistic off the
end of runway. Maiden flight Propulsion issues.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...12X19459&key=1

YMMV, but you appear to share and reflect the pilot-builder's deadly
attitude. The devil lurks in the 10,000 details.

(Don't worry I don't get uptight about people questioning my motor

choice.)
That's precisely what I'm working on.


Any other personal problems that you would care to reveal?

For the anti car conversion crowd, I'm not worried about the engine. I've

done
the motorcycle, drag truck, dirt track etc and not a single engine has

crapped
out on me, yet.


YET.

I believe if you take the time and do things right the first time it

don't
matter where the engine originally came from.

--
Bart D. Hull


WoW....

Nothing quite like well intentioned advice and philosophy
uttered from a semi-literate, neophyte Soob dood's keyboard.

Are you listening, Lycoming and Continental?


Barnyard BOb -- Ignorance is bliss



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Old October 5th 03, 02:22 PM
Kevin Horton
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On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 08:02:56 -0500, Barnyard BOb -- wrote:


"RSwanson" wrote:

Final line of the report:
"The pilot's failure to maintain adequate airspeed which resulted in an
inadvertent stall. Contributing to the accident was the pilot's lack of
experience in this type of airplane." And THAT has something to do with
his engine choice?????????

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You don't comprehend the TOTAL scenario for beans, do you? This is a
tragic comedy of errors.. not jerror.

You can't cherry pick a last line and expect to learn squat or argue in
an intelligent manner.

To begin with... the prop/engine combo could not pull the plane though
the air with sufficient airspeed above a stall. The pilot-builder
committed a number of errors before, during and after take off that
doomed him.

If the nuances and details of the report escape you , sorry. The loss is
yours.


Barnyard BOb -- 50 years of flight.


I have to agree with BOb on this one.

You could conclude that the thrust problem was due to the prop pitch being
set too fine, which it apparently was. The engine didn't fail. Now, why
was the prop pitch set so fine? Two possibilities: the engine wasn't
putting out enough power, or the builder simply screwed up with this
"non-standard" prop. Why was he using such a "non-standard" prop? He had
that prop because of the "non-standard" engine installation.

If you stick with a "standard" aviation engine and prop, there is no
guarantee they will be problem free, but at least the usual problem areas
are well known and you should be able to watch out for them. If you go
with a "non-standard" engine and/or prop you don't know what problems to
look out for, so you can get bit, as happened in this case.

From what I can tell the core engines seem to do OK in the automotive
conversions, but it is the other stuff that causes problems - PSRUs,
ignition systems, fuel systems, cooling systems, props, etc. But if you
have a power loss it doesn't matter whether it was the core engine or some
other part that let you down. You are in the trees either way.

A local Murphy Rebel flyer had a Subura conversion, but he eventually
pulled it out and went with a Lycoming. He had scared himself a few too
many times with various failues of his home-brew conversion.

--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
e-mail: khorton02(_at_)rogers(_dot_)com

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Old October 5th 03, 05:06 PM
RobertR237
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In article , Barnyard BOb --
writes:


I don't know.
What?

I do know.... the last Soob powered local plane crashed,
burned and the pilot became another fatality statistic off the
end of runway. Maiden flight Propulsion issues.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...12X19459&key=1


So how then do you explain a recent RV-6 with a certified engine that also
crashed on its maiden flight with propulsion issues? Was it a bad engine
choice or a bad installation?

YMMV, but you appear to share and reflect the pilot-builder's deadly
attitude. The devil lurks in the 10,000 details.


That is the real issue, was the engine a bad choice or was the installation not
done correctly?


Barnyard BOb -- Ignorance is bliss


I won't go there! :-)


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

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Old October 5th 03, 05:34 PM
Jerry Springer
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Robert, can't fine that one could you point me to a NTSB report?
Because I fly an RV-6 I try to learn from the other guys mistakes.
Thanks,

Jerry

RobertR237 wrote:
In article , Barnyard BOb --
writes:


I don't know.
What?

I do know.... the last Soob powered local plane crashed,
burned and the pilot became another fatality statistic off the
end of runway. Maiden flight Propulsion issues.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...12X19459&key=1



So how then do you explain a recent RV-6 with a certified engine that also
crashed on its maiden flight with propulsion issues? Was it a bad engine
choice or a bad installation?


YMMV, but you appear to share and reflect the pilot-builder's deadly
attitude. The devil lurks in the 10,000 details.



That is the real issue, was the engine a bad choice or was the installation not
done correctly?


Barnyard BOb -- Ignorance is bliss



I won't go there! :-)


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)


 




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