Why No N-Number in FAA Database?

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:25:09 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:04:16 -0800, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote:



Gene Kearns wrote:

Another scenario is that the triennial registration was not returned
for a number of cycles, the aircraft was considered lost, and the
N-number returned to the pool of available numbers.

Tri-ennial registration?


Yup......Triennial Aircraft Registration Report ... a real eye opener,
eh? Surf over to :

http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part47-51-FAR.shtml

check out 47.51(d), especially, and you'll see what could have
happened.

I seriously doubt it.

The form they send out tells the user not to bother if nothing has
changed, at least all the ones I've received so far are that way.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Return address modified due to dumb virus checkers

I thought this needed to be returned only if there were changes or
inaccuracies.


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:48:33 -0600, "Carl Orton"
wrote:

Hi all;

Checking into my first plane purchase, and have a question for you that
I'm
not sure of.

I found a plane. I have not seen the registration cert (haven't looked
for
it).

The N-number is *not* in the FAA aircraft registry database.

Why? I thought that registrations were good until changed - as in,
transferred to another owner, or if the a/c were totalled.

Thanks for any insight;
Carl


Another scenario is that the triennial registration was not returned
for a number of cycles, the aircraft was considered lost, and the
N-number returned to the pool of available numbers.

I know this issue has surfaced in the FSDO just south of us a couple
of times in the last few years.

Certainly, at this point, before making any commitments, I'd do
further research to verify this situation. If what you have discovered
is accurate, much of the paperwork required onboard the aircraft is
not usable.

The dickweed thinks he is a real player... With any luck he will come ot
the attention of some fsdo inspector... Ought to be hilarious...

"Jim Fisher" wrote in message
...
"Dennis O'Connor" wrote in message
I 'checked' the back side of the form where
the check box is for 'destroyed' and sent it back... About six weeks
later
the airplane disappeared from the database...

I love it!

Did the new owner ever recover the aircraft?

--
Jim Fisher

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:31:37 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:28:18 GMT, Roger Halstead
wrote:

Nope, that's not on the form.
I've only sent one in and that was when we changed the registration.
All others have stated, you do not need to return this form if no
changes have been made. So, over the last 13 or 14 years I've only
sent one in. Aparently the FAA doesn't read their own FARs, or figure
it's an Opt-in. IE, if it ain't changed we'll enter it that way.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Return address modified due to dumb virus checkers

Well, maybe so, but it isn't like nobody has noticed, here is your
info from the FAA:

Why bother X inght the stuff out...It's there for any one to see who
looks. :-))

Owner Type: Individual Owner Name: HALSTEAD ROGER X
City: XXXXXXX State: XX
Zip: XXXXX-XXXX Country: US
Fractional Owner:
Aircraft Type: Fixed wing single engine Model Year: 1959
Airworthiness Class: Standard Transponder Code: 52662366
Serial Number: CD-2 Aircraft Model: 1151402
Last Action: 2003-09-16 Cert Issue: 2000-09-20
Status: The Triennial Aircraft Registration form was mailed and has
not been returned by the Post Office

It said right on the form, do not return if no changes made. At least
one other poster noted the same thing.

Aircraft Mfg: BEECH Aircraft Model: 35-33
Category: Land Amateur: No
Engines: 1 Seats: 4
Weight: CLASS 1 Cruising Speed: 138
Engine Mfg.: CONT MOTOR Engine Model: I0-470 SERIES
Fuel Consumed: 19.50 Horsepower/Thrust: 260

Personally, I'm going to play it safe and keep sending mine in......

I'm going to have to call them and ask.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Return address modified due to dumb virus checkers

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:31:37 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:28:18 GMT, Roger Halstead
wrote:

Nope, that's not on the form.
I've only sent one in and that was when we changed the registration.
All others have stated, you do not need to return this form if no
changes have been made. So, over the last 13 or 14 years I've only
sent one in. Aparently the FAA doesn't read their own FARs, or figure
it's an Opt-in. IE, if it ain't changed we'll enter it that way.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Return address modified due to dumb virus checkers

Well, maybe so, but it isn't like nobody has noticed, here is your
info from the FAA:


I just went into the database and could find no mention of the
triennial aircraft registration.

What comes up on the FAA site when I search on 833R is similar to the
data below but makes no mention of the Triennial.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Return address modified due to dumb virus checkers

Owner Type: Individual Owner Name: HALSTEAD ROGER X
City: XXXXXXX State: XX
Zip: XXXXX-XXXX Country: US
Fractional Owner:
Aircraft Type: Fixed wing single engine Model Year: 1959
Airworthiness Class: Standard Transponder Code: 52662366
Serial Number: CD-2 Aircraft Model: 1151402
Last Action: 2003-09-16 Cert Issue: 2000-09-20
Status: The Triennial Aircraft Registration form was mailed and has
not been returned by the Post Office
Aircraft Mfg: BEECH Aircraft Model: 35-33
Category: Land Amateur: No
Engines: 1 Seats: 4
Weight: CLASS 1 Cruising Speed: 138
Engine Mfg.: CONT MOTOR Engine Model: I0-470 SERIES
Fuel Consumed: 19.50 Horsepower/Thrust: 260

Personally, I'm going to play it safe and keep sending mine in......

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:03:08 GMT, Roger Halstead
wrote:

Well, maybe so, but it isn't like nobody has noticed, here is your
info from the FAA:

I just went into the database and could find no mention of the
triennial aircraft registration.

What comes up on the FAA site when I search on 833R is similar to the
data below but makes no mention of the Triennial.

It's been on the FAA Registration databases when I've downloaded them the
past several years. Here's the various options for the status field
referring to the triennial report:

Blank - N-Number assigned
A - The Triennial Aircraft Registration form was mailed and has not been
returned by the Post Office
M - Aircraft registered to the manufacturer under their Dealer Certificate
N - Foreign companies which have not returned their flight hour reports
R - Registration pending
1 - Triennial Aircraft Registration form was returned by the Post Office as
undeliverable
3 - N-Number assigned as amateurbuilt - but not yet registered
4 - N-Number assigned as import - but not yet registered
5 - Reserved N-Number
6 - Administratively canceled
7 - Sale reported
8 - A second attempt has been made at mailing a Triennial Aircraft
Registration form to the owner with no response
9 - Certificate of Registration has been revoked

Ron Wanttaja

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:29:10 GMT, Ron Wanttaja
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:03:08 GMT, Roger Halstead
wrote:

Well, maybe so, but it isn't like nobody has noticed, here is your
info from the FAA:

I just went into the database and could find no mention of the
triennial aircraft registration.

What comes up on the FAA site when I search on 833R is similar to the
data below but makes no mention of the Triennial.

It's been on the FAA Registration databases when I've downloaded them the
past several years. Here's the various options for the status field
referring to the triennial report:

I called them today, told them I read the part about no changes and
figured I didn't need to return it. The response was, "If there are
no changes, don't worry about it".

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Return address modified due to dumb virus checkers

Blank - N-Number assigned
A - The Triennial Aircraft Registration form was mailed and has not been
returned by the Post Office
M - Aircraft registered to the manufacturer under their Dealer Certificate
N - Foreign companies which have not returned their flight hour reports
R - Registration pending
1 - Triennial Aircraft Registration form was returned by the Post Office as
undeliverable
3 - N-Number assigned as amateurbuilt - but not yet registered
4 - N-Number assigned as import - but not yet registered
5 - Reserved N-Number
6 - Administratively canceled
7 - Sale reported
8 - A second attempt has been made at mailing a Triennial Aircraft
Registration form to the owner with no response
9 - Certificate of Registration has been revoked

Ron Wanttaja