Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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"Marie Lewis" wrote:

Please note that we all have the rest of the world to visit. Why visit
a
country which treats us as criminals?

On the other hand, you could always visit Spain, and relax on their
nice, safe, high-speed trains. Or the ones in France.

Indeed, I would prefer to do that, although we, in fact, always travel by
car.

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:

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"nobody760" wrote:

So the message is visiting the USA is more trouble than its worth so
I'll go some place else.

Yeah, that two minute fingerprinting and photo is *sooo* hard after a
six-hour plane flight...

It's not the _time_ it takes which offends people.

If people were worried about bureaucratic nosiness, they wouldn't go to
most of Europe in the first place.


You show your ignorance.

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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"Lennart Petersen" wrote:

99% ? Interesting. I transferred recently in 6 minutes from
International
to domestic including security check. Was in Sandefjord Norway.
How many transfers international-domestic are done in less 6 minutes in
U.S
?

You're taking a very unusual example (EU internal transfers), and
pretending that it's common worldwide.

Now, *that's* interesting.

Take a look at the previous post.

Brian wrote:
So how can we identify a person other than fingerprints? Passports, DLs, and
every other form of ID have been no problem to duplicate for terrorists.

And just how will the usa verify your fingerprints ? If you're a foreigner who
has never been to the USA, your fingerprints will be "virgin". So terrorists
will now know that they can only travel once to the USA since on a second
attempt, they might be spotted.

Where this would make a difference is if someone with same fingerprints enters
with different identity. They might be able to spot them.

What remains to be seen is whether computers really have the ability to match
fingerprints in real-time over such a high volume database since it won't be
just criminals anymore, it will be all visitors.

Where will it stop ? Will the USA then ask for a blood sample so that they can
register your complete DNA ?

How exactly does fingerprinting help? Only if you have two fingerprints
to
_compare_.

What about after some incident, you must agree that fingerprints can be
valuable at this point. Clearly they were used in Madrid, as they used
discovered prints at that house to ID conspirators.


They were not going to the USA, or even entering Spain. They lived there.
Like the 911 culprits. And they had full visas.
jay
Sat Apr 03, 2004





One specimen (the person entering the country), one certified by
an authority that it belongs to that individual. If they match - OK, if
they don't match - fake! But if they only have the one, the authorities
can't tell anything from it. "Hello, here's my fake passports, hello,
here's my thumb". What's the point?

Passports,
DLs, and every other form of ID have been no problem to duplicate for
terrorists.

How about procedures which can identify counterfeit passports? Methods
exist, it would make sense, and there wouldn't be protests against
putting
them in place, as it wouldn't involve storing information about innocent
individuals in government databases.

Regards

"Magda" wrote in message
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 16:29:44 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, AJC
arranged some
electrons, so they looked like this :


... Having finger-prints taken for a driving licence? Maybe in Cuba, the
... former DDR, or some other 'big brother' regime, but certainly not in
... any free country. Finger-printing is for criminals.

I have had my 10 fingerprints taken when I got my first identity card at
18. That card had
a big print (including sides) of my right thumb right under my picture. I
didn't feel I
was being treated as a criminal at all. I wasn't intending to get in
trouble anyway, so I
was glad that if an identity mistake happened, the police already had my
fingerprints and
could prove my innocence.

In my country UK) fingerprints mean you are suspected of having committed a
crime.
That is why we object.

Peter Kemp wrote:
I'm just glad I get an exemption from the process thanks to a nice
shiny government visa, because otherwise I would *ot* come to the US

I thought it was currently the opposite: all those entering on a visa are fingerprinted.
In october, it will be all travellers whether on a real visa, or a 90 day visa waiver.

Chad Irby wrote:

AJC wrote:

Having finger-prints taken for a driving licence? Maybe in Cuba, the
former DDR, or some other 'big brother' regime, but certainly not in
any free country. Finger-printing is for criminals.

Check up on Brazil, then. They were complaining about fingerprinting
people from Brazil coming into the US, but neglected to note that they
already fingerprint and photograph *all* of their own citizens.

Does that somehow make it better? Note he said a "big brother" regime.

How do you feel about the registration of firearm?

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"Go Fig" wrote in message
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What about after some incident, you must agree that fingerprints can be
valuable at this point. Clearly they were used in Madrid, as they used
discovered prints at that house to ID conspirators.

Ex post : yes, maybe - but only when justified, and within a decent judicial
framework
Ex ante: NEVER !!! Not where I wanna live anyway...

How do you feel about the gov mandating you to tell them where you live
?

jay
Sat Apr 03, 2004




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Air America: The greatest CIA-operation ever !!!

On the other hand, you could always visit Spain, and relax on their
nice, safe, high-speed trains. Or the ones in France.

Still waiting for the high speed trains of USA...

PatLB