RIP Edward Teller

In article , Aerophotos wrote:

hooray the most evil person ever to exist in the world is now dead

I'm impressed. I've never seen anyone post posthumously before.

Mike

Subject: RIP Edward Teller
From: "John Carrier"
Date: 9/13/03 4:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time

Teller wasn't one of the major players in the Manhattan project. I doubt
his presence in Germany would have materially effected a half-hearted effort
to achieve the bomb. His

You doubt? Is that strong enough to risk it? What if you are wrong, which you
must admit is a possibility. And if you are wrong, we would all be speaking
echt deutch heute.

..


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

From:

Unfortunately for the dead Teller insisted on lots of tests. Many of his
peers,
besides the ones from Manhatten Project who later opposed building the
thermonuclear devices after they had seen in Japan, have said too many tests

The US has conducted more nuclear tests than any other country, 300 or so more
than the (f)SU. A table listing totals by year and country is at:

http://www.nrdc.org/nuclear/nudb/datab15.asp

I was surprised to see how many nukes the French have fired off, more than
double the total of the Brits and Chinese combined.


Chris Mark

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Subject: RIP Edward Teller
From: "John Carrier"
Date: 9/13/03 4:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time

Teller wasn't one of the major players in the Manhattan project. I doubt
his presence in Germany would have materially effected a half-hearted
effort
to achieve the bomb. His

You doubt? Is that strong enough to risk it? What if you are wrong, which
you
must admit is a possibility. And if you are wrong, we would all be
speaking
echt deutch heute.

Playing "what if" with history is a game for idiots and for those with
lots of idle time on their hands, but even If Germany had had all of the
USA's nuclear scientists, they still did not have the industrial capacity to
pull off the job in a reasonable time. As it was, the USA barely managed to
field a couple of weapons before the war was over.

Vaughn

Subject: RIP Edward Teller
From: "Vaughn"
Date: 9/13/03 9:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:


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Subject: RIP Edward Teller
From: "John Carrier"
Date: 9/13/03 4:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time

Teller wasn't one of the major players in the Manhattan project. I doubt
his presence in Germany would have materially effected a half-hearted
effort
to achieve the bomb. His

You doubt? Is that strong enough to risk it? What if you are wrong, which
you
must admit is a possibility. And if you are wrong, we would all be
speaking
echt deutch heute.

Playing "what if" with history is a game for idiots and for those with
lots of idle time on their hands, but even If Germany had had all of the
USA's nuclear scientists, they still did not have the industrial capacity to
pull off the job in a reasonable time. As it was, the USA barely managed to
field a couple of weapons before the war was over.

Vaughn




That's as good a guess as any. I am glad Teller came to our side.



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Actually it was Hitler who was the long pole in the tent. He did not even
put Germany on a wartime footing until 1943, Plus he arbitrarily changed
missions and development programs, such as insisting the Me-263 be a ground
support fighter bomber instead of a B-17/B-24 interceptor.

WDA

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Subject: RIP Edward Teller
From: "John Carrier"
Date: 9/13/03 4:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time

Teller wasn't one of the major players in the Manhattan project. I
doubt
his presence in Germany would have materially effected a half-hearted
effort
to achieve the bomb. His

You doubt? Is that strong enough to risk it? What if you are wrong,
which
you
must admit is a possibility. And if you are wrong, we would all be
speaking
echt deutch heute.

Playing "what if" with history is a game for idiots and for those
with
lots of idle time on their hands, but even If Germany had had all of the
USA's nuclear scientists, they still did not have the industrial capacity
to
pull off the job in a reasonable time. As it was, the USA barely managed
to
field a couple of weapons before the war was over.

Vaughn

In article ,
Aerophotos wrote:

fallout from thermonuclear testing is all we need to say .. the deadly
cancer after effect has killed many more people then hitler stalin etc
and other ever did in the world

Not really. Some people have squeezed and tortured the numbers to try
and suggest this, but looking at cancer numbers downwind of the Nevada
Test Site doen't show that much of an indication.

Radiation exposure is not linear in effects at low doses, apparently.

--


Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

On 13 Sep 2003 07:34:39 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

From: nt (Gordon)
Date: 9/12/2003 11:26 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

How many people did Teller kill, as opposed to say, Idi Amin or Stalin?


Gordon

I am sure you know many U. S. servicemen and a few civilians near atmospheric
tests radiation poisoning and various cancers. Many of the affected have since
died.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Well, since they would be at least 70 years old by now, I suppose a
lot of them have died.

Al Minyard

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:54:50 +1000, Aerophotos wrote:

hooray the most evil person ever to exist in the world is now dead

Steve Irwin is dead? I didn't even know he was sick!


Mr T took care of him

http://tinyurl.com/n967



-Jeff B.
yeff at erols dot com

Teller wasn't one of the major players in the Manhattan project. I doubt
his presence in Germany would have materially effected a half-hearted
effort
to achieve the bomb. His

You doubt? Is that strong enough to risk it? What if you are wrong, which
you
must admit is a possibility. And if you are wrong, we would all be
speaking
echt deutch heute.

Considering the overwhelming intellectual and industrial effort made to
develop the bomb, the movement of one mind (not a particularly critical one
at that) would have had no material effect on either a US (delayed) or
German (advanced) ability to develop the bomb. So I'll retract my original
statement. His presence in Germany (vice the USA) would have had no
material impact on their ability to develop an atomic weapon. Similarly his
absence wouldn't have been a show-stopper for the Manhattan project.

Germany and Japan had not expended enough effort in research to even begin
to develop an appreciation for the commitment required for a weapon's
development. Neither had the industrial or economic capacity to construct
the plants required to enrich uranium or generate plutonium WHILE
simultaneously supporting the war effort with conventional weapons
manufacture. Add the reality of the harassing effect of strategic bombing,
and it was even more hopeless.

Germany had an outstanding group of theoretical physicists. They had access
to a limited amount of uranium ore. Never the less, they did not succeed in
producing a sustained nuclear reaction by war's end (we did it in 1942 at U
of Chicago).

We WERE concerned that Germany had a bomb program. We directed missions to
hamper it (bombed heavy water production plants). When we got the right
people on the ground in Germany, we were amazed by their lack of progress.

Needless to say, this is hindsight. Things looked a lot different with
Great Britain on the edge and the Pacific Fleet battle line resting in the
Pearl Harbor mud.

R / John