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Old June 23rd 08, 09:35 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
Ed Sullivan
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Default The EAA should allow us to use our folding bikes at Airventure

On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:20:35 -0700 (PDT), Lou
wrote:

On Jun 22, 8:08 am, Sliker wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:58:56 -0500, Dave S
wrote:

Sliker wrote:
I wonder how with attitudes like that, we ever get new
homebuilt designs built.


I wonder if you personally attack everyone who dares to disagree with
your point of view.


I commend you on your maturity and objectivity.


Go ahead, walk your arse off on the Airventure fly-in. I've been going
to that thing since '73, And I could see so much more of it if it
weren't for all the walking involved. That thing is spread out far and
wide. Many times, things I want to see are so far, I just don't have
the energy to go see them, especially towards the end of the day.
A person that flys into the show, in a homebuilt, parks and then you
face the fact that you have no ground transportation, the hotels are
full, and try getting a rental car. I'ved used the busses, but they
aren't ideal, especially if they aren't going where your lodging is.
So you are on your feet from the time you land and park, until you
leave. And they won't let us use a folding bike. Stubborn asses
Go ahead and defend that archaic rule. Then one day when Airventure is
no more, we'll all look back and wonder why it died. The list will be
long, and some of these unneccesary rules will be at the top of the
list. Don't think it will happen? That's what they thought back in the
golden age of air racing too, and a little over 10 years after it
started, it was finished. And not just due to the war, it was about
done when that started. People lost interest. And when that's
happening, we don't need any unneccesary rules to give attendees more
reasons not to attend the event.



I can't stand lazy people.
Lou


I must say that the last time I attended Sun Fun I was impressed with
their system. They have a readily accessable Tram terminal with routes
posted above the entries. There is also a trailer ride available at a
modest price (I think a chapter puts it on ) that goes everywhere on
the flight lines so you can get an overview of what's there. In
addition they have a dedicated road strictly for volunteer carts that
doesn't interfere with pedestrian traffiic.
While Oskosh covers more area I think a little planning coulld do
something similar.

Ed
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Old June 24th 08, 12:01 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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Default The EAA should allow us to use our folding bikes at Airventure

On Jun 23, 10:07*am, Gig 601Xl Builder
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Sliker wrote:
The trams are not usually available when you want one, and are a waste
of time waiting for them. I grab one when I see one going in the right
direction, but it's not that often. Or they are full. I'd put a motor
on my bike, so I could get around. And the flight line isn't that
packed with pedestrians, there's more than enough room for a folding
bike. Now I can see why the rules never get changed, as soon as it's
tried, everyone defends anything Poberenzy and crowd want to issue as
law. I've been to a lot of local fly-ins that don't have so many rules
and guess what? it's not a problem with a bike. It's actually been
done succesfully! without incident. Can you imagine? Probably hard for
the dot every i, cross every t, follow every rule to the letter crowd.
Like sheep. I wonder how with attitudes like that, we ever get new
homebuilt designs built.


So now you want not only your bike you want a motorized bike? What next,
are you going to ask to let you drive your car around the grounds?

I'm sure EAA will miss you as a member. Which is worse a sheep or a whiner?


Whiner by a wide margin.

Can't you just see 50,000 people trying to navigate around the crowds
on motorized scooters and bikes? Can't you just imagine the line of
lawyers handing out cards for liability lawsuits? If you are
physically unable to walk, then an exception is in order otherwise,
get off you lazy ass and walk.
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Old June 24th 08, 12:51 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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Hey Gig, hows the plane coming?
Lou
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Old June 24th 08, 02:56 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
Gig 601Xl Builder
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Lou wrote:
Hey Gig, hows the plane coming?
Lou


Slow as dirt. But I've gotten my engine and things are speeding up.
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Old June 24th 08, 06:13 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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On Jun 24, 8:56 am, Gig 601Xl Builder
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Lou wrote:
Hey Gig, hows the plane coming?
Lou


Slow as dirt. But I've gotten my engine and things are speeding up.


I know the feeling.
Lou
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Old June 28th 08, 03:25 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:01:19 -0700 (PDT), BobR
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Whiner by a wide margin.

Can't you just see 50,000 people trying to navigate around the crowds
on motorized scooters and bikes? Can't you just imagine the line of
lawyers handing out cards for liability lawsuits? If you are
physically unable to walk, then an exception is in order otherwise,
get off you lazy ass and walk.


I didn't say let eveyone use them, but those flying in, in planes.
They don't have cars with them.

I can walk, but not as good as in the past. I have ALS. but the early
stages of it, so I can still get around.
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Old June 28th 08, 04:06 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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"Sliker" wrote

I can walk, but not as good as in the past. I have ALS. but the early
stages of it, so I can still get around.


If you have ALS, you should qualify being allowed to bring a scooter, or
rent one, and go anywhere on the grounds.

There have been many here complain about the relatively small numbers of
scooters, which seem to grow in numbers every year. Some try to see how
many people they can bully out of the way, rather than blending with the
foot traffic, so imagine how it would be if everyone that flew in, rode
bikes on the grounds.

If you get a scooter, promise you will be polite with it's use?
--
Jim in NC


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Old July 20th 08, 11:28 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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Yeah, that'll teach 'em. So, you don't vote either, do you? After all, there are very few candidates with whom I agree 100%. One thing irks you and you quit? Or is this the excuse you have been looking for to quit supporting the ONLY organization out there that lobbies for the amateur builder. EAA and AOPA  are about the only orgs large enough to lobby to keep ANY fuel available for nuisance "hobby" aviation (As Babs Boxer calls it). I would never have thought the word "draconian" could be applied to a "walkers only" rule.

Sliker wrote: I'm really tired of their stubborness about this issue. Airventure is
the one place a folding bike would be invaluable. But instead, they
insist we walk with no assist over the huge area of the fly-in.
As a result of their turning a deaf ear to requests for change, I'm
not renewing my membership or attending their fly-ins.
SNF is just as stubborn. With the cost of fuel, they are going to have
enough trouble getting an adequate turnout of sport planes at their
gathering in OSH, maybe now is time to turn the screws on them and
pressure them to change so of those draconian rules.
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Old July 20th 08, 01:25 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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Bruce A. Frank wrote:
Yeah, that'll teach 'em. So, you don't vote either, do you? After all,
there are very few candidates with whom I agree 100%. One thing irks you
and you quit? Or is this the excuse you have been looking for to quit
supporting the ONLY organization out there that lobbies for the amateur
builder. EAA and AOPA are about the only orgs large enough to lobby to
keep ANY fuel available for nuisance "hobby" aviation (As Babs Boxer
calls it). I would never have thought the word "draconian" could be
applied to a "walkers only" rule.


Does all of the EAA leadership adhere to this rule also?

Matt
 




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