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Old October 21st 06, 09:47 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default ASH 26E VS DG 808C

I know the comparison of ASH 26 VS DG 800's has been done, but now that
DG has come out with a DG 808C I was wondering what self launching guys
think? The new 808C allows wing loading of up to 10.2 Lbs compared to
9.2 for the ASH 26? The new DG also has NOAH exit assist and stall
warning plus automated engine extraction and stowage. If you were in
the market today for a self launch which one would you choose? Plus
these designs are getting near the end of their life span, what would
you like to see in the next self launch glider?

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Old October 22nd 06, 02:14 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Oct 21, 1:53 pm, Marc Ramsey wrote:
wrote:
Plus
these designs are getting near the end of their life span, what would
you like to see in the next self launch glider?Well, they could start by figuring out a way to sell them for less than

I paid for my house...


Well, so of this is due to the exchange rate! Not wanting to get
political, but you can thank our budget deficit and trade deficit for
the exchange rate. I miss the days of .82 cents to the Euro.

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Old October 22nd 06, 02:15 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I would like to see 20 meters in the next motor glider to get the
wingloading down.

On Oct 21, 1:47 pm, wrote:
I know the comparison of ASH 26 VS DG 800's has been done, but now that
DG has come out with a DG 808C I was wondering what self launching guys
think? The new 808C allows wing loading of up to 10.2 Lbs compared to
9.2 for the ASH 26? The new DG also has NOAH exit assist and stall
warning plus automated engine extraction and stowage. If you were in
the market today for a self launch which one would you choose? Plus
these designs are getting near the end of their life span, what would
you like to see in the next self launch glider?


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Old October 22nd 06, 02:35 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default ASH 26E VS DG 808C

Roger wrote:
I would like to see 20 meters in the next motor glider to get the
wingloading down.


The Antares has 20 meters, but I don't know if it has a lower wing
loading; on the other hand, the Apis, Taurus, and Silent are 15 meters,
and they do have a lighter wing loading. I'm assuming you don't want to
go to the 25 meter span gliders to achieve that light wing loading...

How low did you think was needed? Are you flying in weak weather?


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Old October 22nd 06, 03:05 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I did a lot of comparing and spent another 2 hours going back and forth
between the 26E and the 808B. The comparing included talking to people who
worked on both these gliders, including Tom Stowers and Larry Mansberger (of
composite fame).

I chose the 26E.

Subsequent to this, about 4 years ago, I've had much more experience and had
the chance to really "go over" my glider, and look at the competition too.
Even with the "C" version now available, I'd make the same decision again.

Of course, it's to be expected that an owner will tend to favor the machine
he has invested in - - I guess. The 26 is not perfect, but it's the very
best 18 meter self-launch available, both mechanically, and esthetically
too.

bumper

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oups.com...
I know the comparison of ASH 26 VS DG 800's has been done, but now that
DG has come out with a DG 808C I was wondering what self launching guys
think? The new 808C allows wing loading of up to 10.2 Lbs compared to
9.2 for the ASH 26? The new DG also has NOAH exit assist and stall
warning plus automated engine extraction and stowage. If you were in
the market today for a self launch which one would you choose? Plus
these designs are getting near the end of their life span, what would
you like to see in the next self launch glider?



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Old October 22nd 06, 03:40 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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What about the ablity with the 808 C comp to now fly at 10.4 Lbs verus
the 26's max wing loading of 9.2 Lbs, the stearable tail wheel and the
ability to fill the gas tank from a truck or gas pump? I too think the
26 is "prettier". Does the large canopy of the DG cause relection and
leak when it shrinks do the the cold from altitude?

On Oct 21, 7:05 pm, "bumper" wrote:
I did a lot of comparing and spent another 2 hours going back and forth
between the 26E and the 808B. The comparing included talking to people who
worked on both these gliders, including Tom Stowers and Larry Mansberger (of
composite fame).

I chose the 26E.

Subsequent to this, about 4 years ago, I've had much more experience and had
the chance to really "go over" my glider, and look at the competition too.
Even with the "C" version now available, I'd make the same decision again.

Of course, it's to be expected that an owner will tend to favor the machine
he has invested in - - I guess. The 26 is not perfect, but it's the very
best 18 meter self-launch available, both mechanically, and esthetically
too.

bumper

wrote in ooglegroups.com...

I know the comparison of ASH 26 VS DG 800's has been done, but now that
DG has come out with a DG 808C I was wondering what self launching guys
think? The new 808C allows wing loading of up to 10.2 Lbs compared to
9.2 for the ASH 26? The new DG also has NOAH exit assist and stall
warning plus automated engine extraction and stowage. If you were in
the market today for a self launch which one would you choose? Plus
these designs are getting near the end of their life span, what would
you like to see in the next self launch glider?


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Old October 22nd 06, 03:43 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default ASH 26E VS DG 808C

Eric, some places fly all year and if the pilot is 200 - 250 lbs the
wing loading in a motor glider is near max. In the winter this means
the non-engine folks have a much easier time staying aloft, and the
motor glider in on the ground watching the pure gliders having fun.

On Oct 21, 6:35 pm, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Roger wrote:
I would like to see 20 meters in the next motor glider to get the
wingloading down.The Antares has 20 meters, but I don't know if it has a lower wing

loading; on the other hand, the Apis, Taurus, and Silent are 15 meters,
and they do have a lighter wing loading. I'm assuming you don't want to
go to the 25 meter span gliders to achieve that light wing loading...

How low did you think was needed? Are you flying in weak weather?

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"Transponders in Sailplanes" on the Soaring Safety Foundation websitewww.soaringsafety.org/prevention/articles.html

"A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" atwww.motorglider.org


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Old October 22nd 06, 04:13 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default ASH 26E VS DG 808C

Roger wrote:
Eric, some places fly all year and if the pilot is 200 - 250 lbs the
wing loading in a motor glider is near max.


Have you considered a sustainer glider instead of a self-launcher? That
removes 100 pounds or so. I've found my 18 meter glider climbs as well
as a typical 15 meter glider that has less wing loading. Span loading is
an important number, so don't go just by wing loading.

In the winter this means
the non-engine folks have a much easier time staying aloft, and the
motor glider in on the ground watching the pure gliders having fun.


Start the engine, climb a bit, and go back to soaring. You will be able
to do cross-country flights on the days the unpowered folk don't dare
leave the field. The engine is your portable towplane, and even in weak
conditions you might find, as I have, that you don't need it as much as
you thought you would.

Starting the engine might be the of competition or badge flight, but
it's not the end of the flight or the fun. A few of my most memorable
flights involved weak conditions and low cloud bases, but I had good
soaring flights because I knew it wasn't going to end in a retrieve. Not
that retrieves can't be fun, but after 20 years of them before I got the
motorglider, my wife and I aren't missing them much!

To the 26E, 808 list I'd add the Antares, and the Apis and Silent
gliders (electric and gas versions). Lots more choices today than 10
years ago.

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Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

"Transponders in Sailplanes" on the Soaring Safety Foundation website
www.soaringsafety.org/prevention/articles.html

"A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org
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Old October 22nd 06, 05:27 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default ASH 26E VS DG 808C

So which one would you choose today? The Antares is much more
expensive so that limits the market. What would you like in the next
generation of MG.

On Oct 21, 8:13 pm, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Roger wrote:
Eric, some places fly all year and if the pilot is 200 - 250 lbs the
wing loading in a motor glider is near max.Have you considered a sustainer glider instead of a self-launcher? That

removes 100 pounds or so. I've found my 18 meter glider climbs as well
as a typical 15 meter glider that has less wing loading. Span loading is
an important number, so don't go just by wing loading.

In the winter this means
the non-engine folks have a much easier time staying aloft, and the
motor glider in on the ground watching the pure gliders having fun.Start the engine, climb a bit, and go back to soaring. You will be able

to do cross-country flights on the days the unpowered folk don't dare
leave the field. The engine is your portable towplane, and even in weak
conditions you might find, as I have, that you don't need it as much as
you thought you would.

Starting the engine might be the of competition or badge flight, but
it's not the end of the flight or the fun. A few of my most memorable
flights involved weak conditions and low cloud bases, but I had good
soaring flights because I knew it wasn't going to end in a retrieve. Not
that retrieves can't be fun, but after 20 years of them before I got the
motorglider, my wife and I aren't missing them much!

To the 26E, 808 list I'd add the Antares, and the Apis and Silent
gliders (electric and gas versions). Lots more choices today than 10
years ago.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

"Transponders in Sailplanes" on the Soaring Safety Foundation websitewww.soaringsafety.org/prevention/articles.html

"A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" atwww.motorglider.org


 




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