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On 2005-01-13, Paul Tomblin wrote:
More than the 6 seats, what I like best about the Lance is that it's roomier side-to-side than an Archer or Dakota. Are there any four seaters The Comanche is between the Archer and the Lance/Six. Do you really have to remove seats to insure it as a 4-seater? Wouldn't it be more a matter of not flying it with more than 4 people? There are plenty of other requirements on my insurance that don't have any physical barrier to prevent me from violating. For example, if I'm not covered if I rent my plane, but I could still have a Hobbs meter... -- Ben Jackson http://www.ben.com/ |
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Mike Rapoport wrote:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message ... Our flying club's insurance company is reluctantly allowing us to insure our Lance, but they have said that they don't like 6 seaters in clubs. A year ago they told us that anybody who flew the Lance had to put at least 3 hours in the previous 90 days or do a "proficiency check" with a club instructor every time they flew it, then they told us that's not enough, and you have to do 15 hours a year in it and ground training and they need a list of all the pilots and you could only have 8 pilots on the list. We're wondering what they're going to do next year. So we're thinking about what happens when we can't keep it any more. More than the 6 seats, what I like best about the Lance is that it's roomier side-to-side than an Archer or Dakota. Are there any four seaters out there that are as wide as a Lance that don't cost too much? -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ The only problem is that if we found the Holy Grail, we'd have to support it and explain to the lusers which way to tip it so that they don't get the elixer of life down the front of their tasteless shirts. -- Wayne Pascoe I wonder what their logic is. Why don't you offer to put crash dummies in two of the seats? I could understand if they wanted a certain number of hours to fly retractable, multi, pressurized airplanes or others with funcional differences but I don't understand why they have an issue with the number of seats. It seems that they could just add 50% to the liability premium (above a four seater) and be done with it. Yes, it does seem odd. I did read once that people in the back row or two tend to sue much more frequently than the pilot or the pax in the right front seat. But even then, an increase of 100% should cover going from two folks in back to four. Matt |
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In a previous article, Ben Jackson said:
Do you really have to remove seats to insure it as a 4-seater? Wouldn't it be more a matter of not flying it with more than 4 people? There are plenty of other requirements on my insurance that don't have any physical barrier to prevent me from violating. For example, if I'm not covered if I rent my plane, but I could still have a Hobbs meter... It's a lot easier to tell a single owner "if you do this, your insurance will be invalid" than to tell 50 people "if you do this, the CLUB will be out the cost of the airplane". A lot of people don't understand that if the club suffers, they all suffer. -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ I just woke up, I'm 40 miles from my car and I can't remember where I left my trousers. I think I'm going to be a little late. -- Someone's employee, rec.humor.funny |
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we had a Bonanza here at one time on the rental line.. I'm not sure of the
paper work involved.. but the FBO did remove two seats and certified same to the insurance company to keep the insurance down. BT "Mike Rapoport" wrote in message ink.net... "Paul Tomblin" wrote in message ... Our flying club's insurance company is reluctantly allowing us to insure our Lance, but they have said that they don't like 6 seaters in clubs. A year ago they told us that anybody who flew the Lance had to put at least 3 hours in the previous 90 days or do a "proficiency check" with a club instructor every time they flew it, then they told us that's not enough, and you have to do 15 hours a year in it and ground training and they need a list of all the pilots and you could only have 8 pilots on the list. We're wondering what they're going to do next year. So we're thinking about what happens when we can't keep it any more. More than the 6 seats, what I like best about the Lance is that it's roomier side-to-side than an Archer or Dakota. Are there any four seaters out there that are as wide as a Lance that don't cost too much? -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ The only problem is that if we found the Holy Grail, we'd have to support it and explain to the lusers which way to tip it so that they don't get the elixer of life down the front of their tasteless shirts. -- Wayne Pascoe I wonder what their logic is. Why don't you offer to put crash dummies in two of the seats? I could understand if they wanted a certain number of hours to fly retractable, multi, pressurized airplanes or others with funcional differences but I don't understand why they have an issue with the number of seats. It seems that they could just add 50% to the liability premium (above a four seater) and be done with it. Mike MU-2 |
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Paul Tomblin wrote:
: More than the 6 seats, what I like best about the Lance is that it's : roomier side-to-side than an Archer or Dakota. Are there any four seaters : out there that are as wide as a Lance that don't cost too much? Commander 114/115? It's huge and cushy inside. -- Aaron C. |
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"xyzzy" wrote in message ... Mike Rapoport wrote: I wonder what their logic is. There is no logic. Rationality departed the insurance industry years ago. |
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Commander 114/115? It's huge and cushy inside.
Boy, that's for sure. I met a guy at OSH a couple of years ago with a 114 who gave me a "tour", and the cabin was just gigantic. Very cool plane. How about a Navion? They're certainly voluminous... -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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In a previous article, "Jay Honeck" said:
Commander 114/115? It's huge and cushy inside. Boy, that's for sure. I met a guy at OSH a couple of years ago with a 114 who gave me a "tour", and the cabin was just gigantic. Very cool plane. How about a Navion? They're certainly voluminous... According to Plane and Pilot (http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/cont...ecs/index.html) both of these planes have a 47" wide cabin. The Lance is 49" and the Cardinal is 48" and the Trinidad is 50". -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ My group's mission statement - 'You want *what* ? By *WHEN* ?' -- Simon Burr |
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"Aaron Coolidge" wrote in message ... Paul Tomblin wrote: : More than the 6 seats, what I like best about the Lance is that it's : roomier side-to-side than an Archer or Dakota. Are there any four seaters : out there that are as wide as a Lance that don't cost too much? Commander 114/115? It's huge and cushy inside. -- Aaron C. Aaron gets the prize. The Commander is the closest thing to what you are asking for. The Socata's aren't bad, but the low end models are not all that great, and the more powerful planes are definitely a risky buy. |
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Paul Tomblin wrote:
: According to Plane and Pilot : (http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/cont...ecs/index.html) both of these : planes have a 47" wide cabin. The Lance is 49" and the Cardinal is 48" : and the Trinidad is 50". Don't let this decide you. The 114/115 feel HUGE inside. If you are serious, you should certainly sit in one. Some of those specs are not quite right: It's got 260HP, not 200HP (the 112 has 200 HP). It really goes about 150K tas. The trailing link main gears make bad landings impossible. -- Aaron C. |
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