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Thanks everyone for all of your kind advice, including to those
who replied off-line . . much appreciated indeed. Thanks Roy for summarising the reasons for airsickness: "Airsickness is usually caused by the discordance between what the body senses visually compared to what the inner ear is sensing in terms of motion. If the inner ear signals movement but the eyes register no movement then the result is sensory discord leading to nausea etc. The problem becomes even more complex if the movement is not being created or anticipated by the person experiencing it." Hence, the adages of: * "keep looking at the horizon" and * "it's worse when someone else is in control". Others noted: "minimise head movements" "avoid swapping thermalling direction" "try and visualize the motion in my mind (when unable to look)" Updates and links to my earlier summary are noted below: * Hydration . . gauge this by watching urine colour * Oxygen may help * Ginger is a natural anti-emetic Raw ginger boiled into drinking water Candied Ginger and Gingersnaps Ginger powder (from the grocery store) loaded into gelatin capsules and taken before flight. http://gingerpeople.com/order_chews.html * Woodside Biomedical ReliefBand (electrically stimulates the median nerve) http://www.aeromedix.com/?_siteid=ae...n=sku&sku=rbel * An over-the-counter "drug" which has no systemic effect and is therefore okay in the FAA's eyes. It's called Emetrol (phosphorated carbohydrates) and comes as a sweet syrup. It is a formula based on the traditional use of Coke syrup as a nausea treatment (back in the days when soda fountains actually used the stuff). Dosage is one teaspoon per hour, and some people find it helpful. * Scopolomine * Acupuncture needles are applied to the inside of the wrist to stimulate the median nerve. This stimulation seems to block the nausea reflex for reasons which are still not entirely clear. * So-called "acupressure bands" have started appearing in pilot shops and catalogs. These are elastic bands with protrusions that apply pressure to the wrist, supposedly to stimulate the median nerve in the fashion of acupuncture. * Try colloidal silver - it works very well I have had 8 tumours plus one lipoma out each year for last 3 years. http://www.colloidalsilver.net.au/feedback.htm . * Get your Thyroid levels checked - that was the cause of my motion sickness and tumours. I did not throw up but felt ill. * Take a look at www.motionease.com - On their website they say: Motion Eaze vertigo medication, motion sickness remedy and sea sickness remedy includes a proprietary blend of herbal oils including; Birch, Chamomile, Frankincense, Lavender, Myrrh, Peppermint and Ylang-Ylang. These comments are simply a summary of other people's ideas, they may not be suitable or wise advice, however I am sure that there is good advice amongst it. Use with due care! And thanks again to those who contributed. Regards, Jim Kelly |
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Oops, I overlooked these:
"Sometimes I will take two Pepto-Bismol tablets before take off. The only problem with them is they tend to stuff me up." "I use Sea-Band wrist bands which apply accu-pressure to the wrists . . . they work for me". Jim Thanks everyone for all of your kind advice, including to those who replied off-line . . much appreciated indeed. Thanks Roy for summarising the reasons for airsickness: "Airsickness is usually caused by the discordance between what the body senses visually compared to what the inner ear is sensing in terms of motion. If the inner ear signals movement but the eyes register no movement then the result is sensory discord leading to nausea etc. The problem becomes even more complex if the movement is not being created or anticipated by the person experiencing it." Hence, the adages of: * "keep looking at the horizon" and * "it's worse when someone else is in control". Others noted: "minimise head movements" "avoid swapping thermalling direction" "try and visualize the motion in my mind (when unable to look)" Updates and links to my earlier summary are noted below: * Hydration . . gauge this by watching urine colour * Oxygen may help * Ginger is a natural anti-emetic Raw ginger boiled into drinking water Candied Ginger and Gingersnaps Ginger powder (from the grocery store) loaded into gelatin capsules and taken before flight. http://gingerpeople.com/order_chews.html * Woodside Biomedical ReliefBand (electrically stimulates the median nerve) http://www.aeromedix.com/?_siteid=ae...n=sku&sku=rbel * An over-the-counter "drug" which has no systemic effect and is therefore okay in the FAA's eyes. It's called Emetrol (phosphorated carbohydrates) and comes as a sweet syrup. It is a formula based on the traditional use of Coke syrup as a nausea treatment (back in the days when soda fountains actually used the stuff). Dosage is one teaspoon per hour, and some people find it helpful. * Scopolomine * Acupuncture needles are applied to the inside of the wrist to stimulate the median nerve. This stimulation seems to block the nausea reflex for reasons which are still not entirely clear. * So-called "acupressure bands" have started appearing in pilot shops and catalogs. These are elastic bands with protrusions that apply pressure to the wrist, supposedly to stimulate the median nerve in the fashion of acupuncture. * Try colloidal silver - it works very well I have had 8 tumours plus one lipoma out each year for last 3 years. http://www.colloidalsilver.net.au/feedback.htm . * Get your Thyroid levels checked - that was the cause of my motion sickness and tumours. I did not throw up but felt ill. * Take a look at www.motionease.com - On their website they say: Motion Eaze vertigo medication, motion sickness remedy and sea sickness remedy includes a proprietary blend of herbal oils including; Birch, Chamomile, Frankincense, Lavender, Myrrh, Peppermint and Ylang-Ylang. These comments are simply a summary of other people's ideas, they may not be suitable or wise advice, however I am sure that there is good advice amongst it. Use with due care! And thanks again to those who contributed. Regards, Jim Kelly |
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Several years ago a yachting magazine had an article
about this subject. The ideas expressed there said that bitters settle the stomach and help with seasickness. The writer reviewed about a dozen kinds and and concluded that Fernet Branca was the very best. I searched and searched for this for my wife but never found it myself. A friend located it in a liquor store in NY and brought me a big bottle. It is astringent and it does settle the stomach in other situations; I never get airsick, but I have been seasick. I did not get to test it under these conditions, but a tablespoonful is helpful with an ordinary gastric upset just as coca-cola and ginger are. The reviewer did not mention Angostura bitters, but I find that also helpful with gastric upset. Bitters contain alcohol and a tablespoonful might not be acceptable to the FAA nor wise to ingest before flying as PIC. At 01:00 14 January 2005, Jim Kelly wrote: Oops, I overlooked these: 'Sometimes I will take two Pepto-Bismol tablets before take off. The only problem with them is they tend to stuff me up.' 'I use Sea-Band wrist bands which apply accu-pressure to the wrists . . . they work for me'. Jim Thanks everyone for all of your kind advice, including to those who replied off-line . . much appreciated indeed. Thanks Roy for summarising the reasons for airsickness: 'Airsickness is usually caused by the discordance between what the body senses visually compared to what the inner ear is sensing in terms of motion. If the inner ear signals movement but the eyes register no movement then the result is sensory discord leading to nausea etc. The problem becomes even more complex if the movement is not being created or anticipated by the person experiencing it.' Hence, the adages of: * 'keep looking at the horizon' and * 'it's worse when someone else is in control'. Others noted: 'minimise head movements' 'avoid swapping thermalling direction' 'try and visualize the motion in my mind (when unable to look)' Updates and links to my earlier summary are noted below: * Hydration . . gauge this by watching urine colour * Oxygen may help * Ginger is a natural anti-emetic Raw ginger boiled into drinking water Candied Ginger and Gingersnaps Ginger powder (from the grocery store) loaded into gelatin capsules and taken before flight. http://gingerpeople.com/order_chews.html * Woodside Biomedical ReliefBand (electrically stimulates the median nerve) http://www.aeromedix.com/?_siteid=ae...815c2aa034ed6a 4884e631140549c1ab&action=sku&sku=rbel * An over-the-counter 'drug' which has no systemic effect and is therefore okay in the FAA's eyes. It's called Emetrol (phosphorated carbohydrates) and comes as a sweet syrup. It is a formula based on the traditional use of Coke syrup as a nausea treatment (back in the days when soda fountains actually used the stuff). Dosage is one teaspoon per hour, and some people find it helpful. * Scopolomine * Acupuncture needles are applied to the inside of the wrist to stimulate the median nerve. This stimulation seems to block the nausea reflex for reasons which are still not entirely clear. * So-called 'acupressure bands' have started appearing in pilot shops and catalogs. These are elastic bands with protrusions that apply pressure to the wrist, supposedly to stimulate the median nerve in the fashion of acupuncture. * Try colloidal silver - it works very well I have had 8 tumours plus one lipoma out each year for last 3 years. http://www.colloidalsilver.net.au/feedback.htm . * Get your Thyroid levels checked - that was the cause of my motion sickness and tumours. I did not throw up but felt ill. * Take a look at www.motionease.com - On their website they say: Motion Eaze vertigo medication, motion sickness remedy and sea sickness remedy includes a proprietary blend of herbal oils including; Birch, Chamomile, Frankincense, Lavender, Myrrh, Peppermint and Ylang-Ylang. These comments are simply a summary of other people's ideas, they may not be suitable or wise advice, however I am sure that there is good advice amongst it. Use with due care! And thanks again to those who contributed. Regards, Jim Kelly |
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Thanks Nyal. Seems there are many drugs, etc, that suit 'ill'
people who can rest. Our role as PIC is more difficult. It is likely that the answer will come from the folks dealing with the trauma following various cancer treatments, some of whose patients will have had enough drugs and be looking for a natural solution. Curiously, nothing has been mentioned here about the ear as a focal point. Blocked tubes, etc? For me - perhaps the problem was trying to stop a strong urge to always turn one way (forcing myself to turn the opposite way). As well as it being unsettling, I am sure my flying is more untidy this way too, probably contributing even more . . . It is astonishing how many glider pilots have told me that they are affected with airsickness from time to time. Seems I'm not alone in this regard! Cheers, Jim Kelly. "Nyal Williams" wrote in message ... Several years ago a yachting magazine had an article about this subject. The ideas expressed there said that bitters settle the stomach and help with seasickness. The writer reviewed about a dozen kinds and concluded that Fernet Branca was the very best. I searched and searched for this for my wife but never found it myself. A friend located it in a liquor store in NY and brought me a big bottle. It is astringent and it does settle the stomach in other situations; I never get airsick, but I have been seasick. I did not get to test it under these conditions, but a tablespoonful is helpful with an ordinary gastric upset just as coca-cola and ginger are. The reviewer did not mention Angostura bitters, but I find that also helpful with gastric upset. Bitters contain alcohol and a tablespoonful might not be acceptable to the FAA nor wise to ingest before flying as PIC. At 01:00 14 January 2005, Jim Kelly wrote: Oops, I overlooked these: 'Sometimes I will take two Pepto-Bismol tablets before take off. The only problem with them is they tend to stuff me up.' 'I use Sea-Band wrist bands which apply accu-pressure to the wrists . . . they work for me'. Jim Thanks everyone for all of your kind advice, including to those who replied off-line . . much appreciated indeed. Thanks Roy for summarising the reasons for airsickness: 'Airsickness is usually caused by the discordance between what the body senses visually compared to what the inner ear is sensing in terms of motion. If the inner ear signals movement but the eyes register no movement then the result is sensory discord leading to nausea etc. The problem becomes even more complex if the movement is not being created or anticipated by the person experiencing it.' Hence, the adages of: * 'keep looking at the horizon' and * 'it's worse when someone else is in control'. Others noted: 'minimise head movements' 'avoid swapping thermalling direction' 'try and visualize the motion in my mind (when unable to look)' Updates and links to my earlier summary are noted below: * Hydration . . gauge this by watching urine colour * Oxygen may help * Ginger is a natural anti-emetic Raw ginger boiled into drinking water Candied Ginger and Gingersnaps Ginger powder (from the grocery store) loaded into gelatin capsules and taken before flight. http://gingerpeople.com/order_chews.html * Woodside Biomedical ReliefBand (electrically stimulates the median nerve) http://www.aeromedix.com/?_siteid=ae...815c2aa034ed6a 4884e631140549c1ab&action=sku&sku=rbel * An over-the-counter 'drug' which has no systemic effect and is therefore okay in the FAA's eyes. It's called Emetrol (phosphorated carbohydrates) and comes as a sweet syrup. It is a formula based on the traditional use of Coke syrup as a nausea treatment (back in the days when soda fountains actually used the stuff). Dosage is one teaspoon per hour, and some people find it helpful. * Scopolomine * Acupuncture needles are applied to the inside of the wrist to stimulate the median nerve. This stimulation seems to block the nausea reflex for reasons which are still not entirely clear. * So-called 'acupressure bands' have started appearing in pilot shops and catalogs. These are elastic bands with protrusions that apply pressure to the wrist, supposedly to stimulate the median nerve in the fashion of acupuncture. * Try colloidal silver - it works very well I have had 8 tumours plus one lipoma out each year for last 3 years. http://www.colloidalsilver.net.au/feedback.htm . * Get your Thyroid levels checked - that was the cause of my motion sickness and tumours. I did not throw up but felt ill. * Take a look at www.motionease.com - On their website they say: Motion Eaze vertigo medication, motion sickness remedy and sea sickness remedy includes a proprietary blend of herbal oils including; Birch, Chamomile, Frankincense, Lavender, Myrrh, Peppermint and Ylang-Ylang. These comments are simply a summary of other people's ideas, they may not be suitable or wise advice, however I am sure that there is good advice amongst it. Use with due care! And thanks again to those who contributed. Regards, Jim Kelly |
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Jim, the most famous of these was Philip Wills. He
detailed it in his first book, 'On Being a Bird.' Which way do you prefer turning? Some people prefer turning to the right and I believe it is because they are taken to a thermal, turn right pro forma, and begin thermalling. This preference is exacerbated because it is a bit easier to push opposite aileron slightly (as usually required in a thermal to prevent over banking) than it is to exert a constant slight pull to prevent overbanking in a left turn. After breaking myself from this tendency I found myself back in it. I thought that the right wing was being lifted by thermals and therefore turned right. Come to find out, my left wing is slightly heavier or else the rigging is slightly askew and the glider tends to want to turn left as a result. (It is very subtle and I didn't notice it at first.) Head movements while turning can cause disorientation. Several papers have been written on this. I do believe that if this was caused, as you say, by trying to turn a different way, you will adapt and become accustomed to turning in the other direction. The sensations are different; they are much more pronounced in side-by-side seating. At 08:00 14 January 2005, Jim Kelly wrote: Thanks Nyal. Seems there are many drugs, etc, that suit 'ill' people who can rest. Our role as PIC is more difficult. It is likely that the answer will come from the folks dealing with the trauma following various cancer treatments, some of whose patients will have had enough drugs and be looking for a natural solution. Curiously, nothing has been mentioned here about the ear as a focal point. Blocked tubes, etc? For me - perhaps the problem was trying to stop a strong urge to always turn one way (forcing myself to turn the opposite way). As well as it being unsettling, I am sure my flying is more untidy this way too, probably contributing even more . . . It is astonishing how many glider pilots have told me that they are affected with airsickness from time to time. Seems I'm not alone in this regard! Cheers, Jim Kelly. Jim, 'Nyal Williams' wrote in message ... Several years ago a yachting magazine had an article about this subject. The ideas expressed there said that bitters settle the stomach and help with seasickness. The writer reviewed about a dozen kinds and concluded that Fernet Branca was the very best. I searched and searched for this for my wife but never found it myself. A friend located it in a liquor store in NY and brought me a big bottle. It is astringent and it does settle the stomach in other situations; I never get airsick, but I have been seasick. I did not get to test it under these conditions, but a tablespoonful is helpful with an ordinary gastric upset just as coca-cola and ginger are. The reviewer did not mention Angostura bitters, but I find that also helpful with gastric upset. Bitters contain alcohol and a tablespoonful might not be acceptable to the FAA nor wise to ingest before flying as PIC. At 01:00 14 January 2005, Jim Kelly wrote: Oops, I overlooked these: 'Sometimes I will take two Pepto-Bismol tablets before take off. The only problem with them is they tend to stuff me up.' 'I use Sea-Band wrist bands which apply accu-pressure to the wrists . . . they work for me'. Jim Thanks everyone for all of your kind advice, including to those who replied off-line . . much appreciated indeed. Thanks Roy for summarising the reasons for airsickness: 'Airsickness is usually caused by the discordance between what the body senses visually compared to what the inner ear is sensing in terms of motion. If the inner ear signals movement but the eyes register no movement then the result is sensory discord leading to nausea etc. The problem becomes even more complex if the movement is not being created or anticipated by the person experiencing it.' Hence, the adages of: * 'keep looking at the horizon' and * 'it's worse when someone else is in control'. Others noted: 'minimise head movements' 'avoid swapping thermalling direction' 'try and visualize the motion in my mind (when unable to look)' Updates and links to my earlier summary are noted below: * Hydration . . gauge this by watching urine colour * Oxygen may help * Ginger is a natural anti-emetic Raw ginger boiled into drinking water Candied Ginger and Gingersnaps Ginger powder (from the grocery store) loaded into gelatin capsules and taken before flight. http://gingerpeople.com/order_chews.html * Woodside Biomedical ReliefBand (electrically stimulates the median nerve) http://www.aeromedix.com/?_siteid=ae...815c2aa034ed6a 4884e631140549c1ab&action=sku&sku=rbel * An over-the-counter 'drug' which has no systemic effect and is therefore okay in the FAA's eyes. It's called Emetrol (phosphorated carbohydrates) and comes as a sweet syrup. It is a formula based on the traditional use of Coke syrup as a nausea treatment (back in the days when soda fountains actually used the stuff). Dosage is one teaspoon per hour, and some people find it helpful. * Scopolomine * Acupuncture needles are applied to the inside of the wrist to stimulate the median nerve. This stimulation seems to block the nausea reflex for reasons which are still not entirely clear. * So-called 'acupressure bands' have started appearing in pilot shops and catalogs. These are elastic bands with protrusions that apply pressure to the wrist, supposedly to stimulate the median nerve in the fashion of acupuncture. * Try colloidal silver - it works very well I have had 8 tumours plus one lipoma out each year for last 3 years. http://www.colloidalsilver.net.au/feedback.htm . * Get your Thyroid levels checked - that was the cause of my motion sickness and tumours. I did not throw up but felt ill. * Take a look at www.motionease.com - On their website they say: Motion Eaze vertigo medication, motion sickness remedy and sea sickness remedy includes a proprietary blend of herbal oils including; Birch, Chamomile, Frankincense, Lavender, Myrrh, Peppermint and Ylang-Ylang. These comments are simply a summary of other people's ideas, they may not be suitable or wise advice, however I am sure that there is good advice amongst it. Use with due care! And thanks again to those who contributed. Regards, Jim Kelly |
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Hi Nyal
I'd be interested to read Philip's accounts! I understand that he was a marvellous early glider pilot (etc). For the record, I am right handed and am much more comfortable turning to the right . . . Perhaps I should limit my retraining to shorter flights with less stress than crosscountry until I balance my preferences! Thanks for your trouble, once again. Much appreciated. Jim Kelly "Nyal Williams" wrote in message ... Jim, the most famous of these was Philip Wills. He detailed it in his first book, 'On Being a Bird.' Which way do you prefer turning? Some people prefer turning to the right and I believe it is because they are taken to a thermal, turn right pro forma, and begin thermalling. This preference is exacerbated because it is a bit easier to push opposite aileron slightly (as usually required in a thermal to prevent over banking) than it is to exert a constant slight pull to prevent overbanking in a left turn. After breaking myself from this tendency I found myself back in it. I thought that the right wing was being lifted by thermals and therefore turned right. Come to find out, my left wing is slightly heavier or else the rigging is slightly askew and the glider tends to want to turn left as a result. (It is very subtle and I didn't notice it at first.) Head movements while turning can cause disorientation. Several papers have been written on this. I do believe that if this was caused, as you say, by trying to turn a different way, you will adapt and become accustomed to turning in the other direction. The sensations are different; they are much more pronounced in side-by-side seating. At 08:00 14 January 2005, Jim Kelly wrote: Thanks Nyal. Seems there are many drugs, etc, that suit 'ill' people who can rest. Our role as PIC is more difficult. It is likely that the answer will come from the folks dealing with the trauma following various cancer treatments, some of whose patients will have had enough drugs and be looking for a natural solution. Curiously, nothing has been mentioned here about the ear as a focal point. Blocked tubes, etc? For me - perhaps the problem was trying to stop a strong urge to always turn one way (forcing myself to turn the opposite way). As well as it being unsettling, I am sure my flying is more untidy this way too, probably contributing even more . . . It is astonishing how many glider pilots have told me that they are affected with airsickness from time to time. Seems I'm not alone in this regard! Cheers, Jim Kelly. Jim, 'Nyal Williams' wrote in message ... Several years ago a yachting magazine had an article about this subject. The ideas expressed there said that bitters settle the stomach and help with seasickness. The writer reviewed about a dozen kinds and concluded that Fernet Branca was the very best. I searched and searched for this for my wife but never found it myself. A friend located it in a liquor store in NY and brought me a big bottle. It is astringent and it does settle the stomach in other situations; I never get airsick, but I have been seasick. I did not get to test it under these conditions, but a tablespoonful is helpful with an ordinary gastric upset just as coca-cola and ginger are. The reviewer did not mention Angostura bitters, but I find that also helpful with gastric upset. Bitters contain alcohol and a tablespoonful might not be acceptable to the FAA nor wise to ingest before flying as PIC. At 01:00 14 January 2005, Jim Kelly wrote: Oops, I overlooked these: 'Sometimes I will take two Pepto-Bismol tablets before take off. The only problem with them is they tend to stuff me up.' 'I use Sea-Band wrist bands which apply accu-pressure to the wrists . . . they work for me'. Jim Thanks everyone for all of your kind advice, including to those who replied off-line . . much appreciated indeed. Thanks Roy for summarising the reasons for airsickness: 'Airsickness is usually caused by the discordance between what the body senses visually compared to what the inner ear is sensing in terms of motion. If the inner ear signals movement but the eyes register no movement then the result is sensory discord leading to nausea etc. The problem becomes even more complex if the movement is not being created or anticipated by the person experiencing it.' Hence, the adages of: * 'keep looking at the horizon' and * 'it's worse when someone else is in control'. Others noted: 'minimise head movements' 'avoid swapping thermalling direction' 'try and visualize the motion in my mind (when unable to look)' Updates and links to my earlier summary are noted below: * Hydration . . gauge this by watching urine colour * Oxygen may help * Ginger is a natural anti-emetic Raw ginger boiled into drinking water Candied Ginger and Gingersnaps Ginger powder (from the grocery store) loaded into gelatin capsules and taken before flight. http://gingerpeople.com/order_chews.html * Woodside Biomedical ReliefBand (electrically stimulates the median nerve) http://www.aeromedix.com/?_siteid=ae...815c2aa034ed6a 4884e631140549c1ab&action=sku&sku=rbel * An over-the-counter 'drug' which has no systemic effect and is therefore okay in the FAA's eyes. It's called Emetrol (phosphorated carbohydrates) and comes as a sweet syrup. It is a formula based on the traditional use of Coke syrup as a nausea treatment (back in the days when soda fountains actually used the stuff). Dosage is one teaspoon per hour, and some people find it helpful. * Scopolomine * Acupuncture needles are applied to the inside of the wrist to stimulate the median nerve. This stimulation seems to block the nausea reflex for reasons which are still not entirely clear. * So-called 'acupressure bands' have started appearing in pilot shops and catalogs. These are elastic bands with protrusions that apply pressure to the wrist, supposedly to stimulate the median nerve in the fashion of acupuncture. * Try colloidal silver - it works very well I have had 8 tumours plus one lipoma out each year for last 3 years. http://www.colloidalsilver.net.au/feedback.htm . * Get your Thyroid levels checked - that was the cause of my motion sickness and tumours. I did not throw up but felt ill. * Take a look at www.motionease.com - On their website they say: Motion Eaze vertigo medication, motion sickness remedy and sea sickness remedy includes a proprietary blend of herbal oils including; Birch, Chamomile, Frankincense, Lavender, Myrrh, Peppermint and Ylang-Ylang. These comments are simply a summary of other people's ideas, they may not be suitable or wise advice, however I am sure that there is good advice amongst it. Use with due care! And thanks again to those who contributed. Regards, Jim Kelly |
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