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Doug Campbell wrote:
Practicing for my IFR, with a safety pilot (required crewmember) I am not current at night. Can we fly this way, and achieve currency? Not a passenger, since he is required crew. Not an issue for my partner, we both need to get current and trust each other's ability. Is it legal? Acting and logging PIC are two completely different things. Having said that... If you are not night current, your friend can ACT as PIC, you log the landings, he logs nothing (assuming no hood work involved). The complexity you add with the hoodwork is not required. The person acting as PIC needs to have a current medical, have any required endorsements, be current in whatever is required (in this case 'night'). The person logging the time only needs to be rated in the aircraft, he/she does not need a current medical, endorsements, or be current at 'night' (in this case). I have purposely ignored FBO, insurance, etc requirements - make sure you are still insured with the (ACTING) PIC in the right seat, unless you want to risk it financially. Hilton |
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
The insurance deals with "pilot flying" and doesn't care one bit about who is "PIC". PIC is an FAA thing. If a unqualified pilot has their hands on the controls the insurance isn't going to pay regardless of who is PIC. Can you back up these claims? Hilton |
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Jonathan wrote:
That is a point I had overlooked early on. I was only logging my night landings, since most of those flights commenced earlier during daylight. A question I still wonder is, If I only have night landings logged, would I still be current to land at night, but just not to take off? or do I need both night Takeoffs and night landings logged even if I only want to land at night (with pax). Again, most of my flights which end in a night landing, are just day-long trips where I get home late. It is a real pain to make special trip to airport after dark just to practice night takeoffs. What are your collective thoughts on this subject? You need both night takeoffs and night landings to qualify - the FARs spell this out very clearly. 61.57 says (in part): "(b) Night takeoff and landing experience. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (e) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of an aircraft carrying passengers during the period beginning 1 hour after sunset and ending 1 hour before sunrise, unless within the preceding 90 days that person has made at least three takeoffs and three landings to a full stop during the period beginning 1 hour after sunset and ending 1 hour before sunrise" Hilton |
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In article ,
Robert M. Gary wrote: go missed. During training we often tell approach "full stop" and then tower "touch n go". Or tell approach you're going missed and do a touch n go. -- Ben Jackson http://www.ben.com/ |
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"Hilton" wrote in
ink.net: Robert M. Gary wrote: The insurance deals with "pilot flying" and doesn't care one bit about who is "PIC". PIC is an FAA thing. If a unqualified pilot has their hands on the controls the insurance isn't going to pay regardless of who is PIC. Can you back up these claims? It's simple. The insurance company will do everything it legally (or not so legally) can to prevent paying. That's what insurance companies do. -- Regards, Stan |
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"Jonathan" wrote in message
news:TB2jb.563532$cF.240565@rwcrnsc53... That is a point I had overlooked early on. I was only logging my night landings, since most of those flights commenced earlier during daylight. A question I still wonder is, If I only have night landings logged, would I still be current to land at night, but just not to take off? or do I need both night Takeoffs and night landings logged even if I only want to land at night (with pax). Again, most of my flights which end in a night landing, are just day-long trips where I get home late. It is a real pain to make special trip to airport after dark just to practice night takeoffs. What are your collective thoughts on this subject? Look at FAR 61.57b. Even if you take off before nightfall and stay aloft until after dawn, you still can't have a passenger on board unless you meet the night-currency condition, which requires takeoffs as well as landings. --Gary "Teacherjh" wrote in message ... Actually, for night currency, they must be *Stop & Go*s, not just T&Gs by FAR 61.57(b) And an often overlooked point, takeoffs are included. You can have a logbook full of daytime takeoffs and night landings, and they don't help a bit without night takeoffs. Jose -- (for Email, make the obvious changes in my address) |
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Stan Gosnell wrote in message ...
"Hilton" wrote in ink.net: Robert M. Gary wrote: The insurance deals with "pilot flying" and doesn't care one bit about who is "PIC". PIC is an FAA thing. If a unqualified pilot has their hands on the controls the insurance isn't going to pay regardless of who is PIC. Can you back up these claims? It's simple. The insurance company will do everything it legally (or not so legally) can to prevent paying. That's what insurance companies do. My point exactly. Why give them an angle? Best case, it will delay your payment - worst case, they may not pay. |
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"Hilton" wrote in message link.net...
Robert M. Gary wrote: The insurance deals with "pilot flying" and doesn't care one bit about who is "PIC". PIC is an FAA thing. If a unqualified pilot has their hands on the controls the insurance isn't going to pay regardless of who is PIC. Can you back up these claims? My policy (AIG) says.. "This insurance does not apply under any coverage c) When the aircraft is in flight ii) if piloted by anyone other than 1) the pilot(s) specified in Item 5". It says nothing about PIC (although later says there must also be a qualified PIC as well). Call Mark at SouthWestAviation. http://www.southwestaviation.com . He's been in the business for a couple decades and used to work for an underwriter. He's had many such cases. He'll tell you that the FAA's concept of "PIC" is not what the insurance co is looking at. |
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Robert M. Gary wrote: My policy (AIG) says.. "This insurance does not apply under any coverage c) When the aircraft is in flight ii) if piloted by anyone other than 1) the pilot(s) specified in Item 5". I had USAIG until this year when I switched but anyone who is current and authorized by me can fly the plane. A person did not have to be named to fly the plane. If I'm in the plane it also does not matter that my 5 year old is driving. |
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