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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:06:38 GMT, "Gord Beaman" ) wrote:
"Tarver Engineering" wrote: "Gord Beaman" wrote in message . .. snip of idiot gibbering Of course...and for Christ's sake don't add "...and it was a very bad thing"... It was a very bad thing. Pandora's box can never be closed again. Well John, it's quite likely that someone said exactly that when the very first charge of gunpowder was ignited. And likely again when the first arrow left it's bowstring...the first club connected with someone's skull...etc... -Gord. "I'm trying to get as old as I can, and it must be working 'cause I'm the oldest now that I've ever been" Heck, the Pope tried to ban crossbows because they would "destroy civilization". Al Minyard |
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Alan Minyard wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:06:38 GMT, "Gord Beaman" ) wrote: "Tarver Engineering" wrote: "Gord Beaman" wrote in message ... snip of idiot gibbering Of course...and for Christ's sake don't add "...and it was a very bad thing"... It was a very bad thing. Pandora's box can never be closed again. Well John, it's quite likely that someone said exactly that when the very first charge of gunpowder was ignited. And likely again when the first arrow left it's bowstring...the first club connected with someone's skull...etc... Heck, the Pope tried to ban crossbows because they would "destroy civilization". Never knew the cross bow was considered to be such a terrible weapon. I know the long bow was for a time though. The armored cavalry types didn't like the idea of being knocked off their horses on to their tin cans from 80 yards out by mere peasant folk. What was the world coming to? SMH |
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"Gord Beaman" wrote in message ... "Tarver Engineering" wrote: "Gord Beaman" wrote in message .. . snip of idiot gibbering Of course...and for Christ's sake don't add "...and it was a very bad thing"... It was a very bad thing. Pandora's box can never be closed again. Well John, it's quite likely that someone said exactly that when the very first charge of gunpowder was ignited. And likely again when the first arrow left it's bowstring...the first club connected with someone's skull...etc... So true, but life has taught me to be a gracious winner. I believe America can set about the same policy in foreign relations. I do not say that we "apologise" to the Japanese, as "bad things" can happen to those who come to our house and blow up our stuff. My friend George's father still hates the Japanese and another friend, an Arizona survivor, went to his grave the same way. Hate is also a bad thing. |
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From: "Tarver Engineering"
So true, but life has taught me to be a gracious winner. No comment. Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired |
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Mary Shafer wrote:
I turned that up using "crossbow Pope" in Google, to confirm my memory. Mary A tiny bit of useful trivia...you get exactly the same effect in Google when you omit the second quotation mark as you do when you use it. (all those quarter seconds add up!) -Gord. "I'm trying to get as old as I can, and it must be working 'cause I'm the oldest now that I've ever been" |
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Mary Shafer wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:12:34 -0500, Stephen Harding wrote: Never knew the cross bow was considered to be such a terrible weapon. The cross bow was such a terrible weapon that a Pope forbade its use against fellow Christians. Using it on pagans and unbelievers was OK, though. Needless to say, this ban didn't last. "William the Conqueror brought skilled crossbow men with him when he invaded England in A.D. 1066. "The crossbow was powerful in battle because its bolts (a shorter version of arrows) could penetrate the chain mail of opponents. Leaders of the Catholic Church, outraged by the lethal weapon, deemed the crossbow "unfit to be used among Christians" and tried to ban it from warfare in 1139—without success. Richard I ("the Lionheart") died of a crossbow wound on the battlefield in 1199." from http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n..._crossbow.html I turned that up using "crossbow Pope" in Google, to confirm my memory. I do recall the devastating effects the English longbow had on the battlefield, and it's superiority over the crossbow. It had greater range, higher rate of fire, and more hitting/penetrating power. But it took a lot of practice and strength to operate competently, whereas the crossbow did not. It did not really come into its own until after all the hubbub over the crossbow, I guess. Thanks for the "archery lesson" Mary! SMH |
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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:47:38 -0500, Stephen Harding
wrote: The cross bow was such a terrible weapon that a Pope forbade its use against fellow Christians. Using it on pagans and unbelievers was OK, though. Needless to say, this ban didn't last. Actually, the provisions of the second Lateran council in 1139 seem to be directed at all archers, not crossbowmen in isolation: "29. We prohibit under anathema that murderous art of crossbowmen and archers, which is hateful to God, to be employed against Christians and Catholics from now on." IIRC, crossbowmen were beginning to become largely drawn from a developing professional mercenary class at this point. I do recall the devastating effects the English longbow had on the battlefield, and it's superiority over the crossbow. It had greater range, higher rate of fire, and more hitting/penetrating power. The longbow as it appeared in the 100 Years War wasn't a feature of 12th century warfare. The actual measure concerned took part against a background of the relevant pope attempting to restore papal authority after a schism and continue the general policy of attempting to limit warfare within Christendom and constrain it under papal religious theory. Gavin Bailey |
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Subject: Enola Gay: Burnt flesh and other magnificent technological
From: The Wolf Date: 12/18/03 5:52 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: On 12/17/2003 11:09 PM, in article , "Jack G" opined: Pretty catchy retort there John, unfortunately there is nothing you can say that will in the least offend me - all you can do by publishing such rudeness is diminish your own image in the eyes of others. As far as bias in the press, none of the papers mentioned by you provide what can in any way be called balanced coverage of the situation in Iraq. Jack *The* Situation in Iraq is infinitely better than is was a year ago and will improve exponentially over the next year. **** You Liberal Bush Bashing Cocksucker! PLONK Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:47:38 -0500, Stephen Harding wrote: The cross bow was such a terrible weapon that a Pope forbade its use against fellow Christians. Using it on pagans and unbelievers was OK, though. Needless to say, this ban didn't last. Actually, the provisions of the second Lateran council in 1139 seem to be directed at all archers, not crossbowmen in isolation: "29. We prohibit under anathema that murderous art of crossbowmen and archers, which is hateful to God, to be employed against Christians and Catholics from now on." My goodness, the Pope dissing my family's coat of arms. IIRC, crossbowmen were beginning to become largely drawn from a developing professional mercenary class at this point. And very profitable. I do recall the devastating effects the English longbow had on the battlefield, and it's superiority over the crossbow. It had greater range, higher rate of fire, and more hitting/penetrating power. The longbow as it appeared in the 100 Years War wasn't a feature of 12th century warfare. The actual measure concerned took part against a background of the relevant pope attempting to restore papal authority after a schism and continue the general policy of attempting to limit warfare within Christendom and constrain it under papal religious theory. Let us all stand in a line and kill one another, until a political solution can be reached. |
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