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#11
October 15th 03, 02:40 PM
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[Broken top-posting corrected.]
(KDR) wrote: :Fred J. McCall wrote in message . .. : "Thomas Schoene" wrote: : : :"Allen Thomson" wrote in message : . com : : : : But I haven't been able to find information on who is or might be : : getting the F-15 Harpoon versions. Anybody know? : : : :Harpoon is part of the armament package offered for the ROK's F-15Ks. : : But we won't need to worry about them modifying it for land attack : purposes. : :No need to modify Harpoon for land attack. We're buying SLAM-ER as well... Why did you think I made the comment? http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/...r_020419m.html -- "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute." -- Charles Pinckney 
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#13
October 16th 03, 01:11 AM
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"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
"Thomas Schoene" wrote: Harpoon is part of the armament package offered for the ROK's F-15Ks. But we won't need to worry about them modifying it for land attack purposes. Of course not. It comes that way already -- the standard Harpoon Block II has limited land-attack capability via GPS/INS navigation. -- Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail "If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed)
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#14
October 16th 03, 04:54 AM
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"Thomas Schoene" wrote:
:"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message : "Thomas Schoene" wrote: : : Harpoon is part of the armament package offered for the ROK's : F-15Ks. : : But we won't need to worry about them modifying it for land attack : purposes. : :Of course not. It comes that way already -- the standard Harpoon Block II :has limited land-attack capability via GPS/INS navigation. Very limited. But that's not why we don't have to worry about it. -- "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute." -- Charles Pinckney
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#15
October 16th 03, 04:58 AM
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"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
"Thomas Schoene" wrote: Of course not. It comes that way already -- the standard Harpoon Block II has limited land-attack capability via GPS/INS navigation. Very limited. Accuracy should be comparable to a JDAM (since it uses the same guidance package). That's not a TLAM, but it is better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. But that's not why we don't have to worry about it. Fred, if you have a point, please just make it already. This eliptical BS is getting very tedious. -- Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail "If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed)
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#16
October 16th 03, 02:29 PM
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"Thomas Schoene" wrote:
:"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message : "Thomas Schoene" wrote: : : Of course not. It comes that way already -- the standard Harpoon : Block II has limited land-attack capability via GPS/INS navigation. : : Very limited. : :Accuracy should be comparable to a JDAM (since it uses the same guidance  ackage). That's not a TLAM, but it is better than a poke in the eye with a:sharp stick. It's not an accuracy issue. We're back to the 'how do it fly' issue. Note that the GPS is NOT really intended to allow you to attack land targets, but rather to do littoral work and use it in crowded waterways. : But that's not why we don't have to worry about it. : :Fred, if you have a point, please just make it already. This eliptical BS :is getting very tedious. The point was made over a day ago. The folks buying these are also buying purpose-built ASMs as part of the packages. Do try to keep up, won't you? [Hey, YOU decided to start off with the snotty comments. I just thought I'd return the favour.] -- "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute." -- Charles Pinckney
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#17
October 16th 03, 05:21 PM
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"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
"Thomas Schoene" wrote: Accuracy should be comparable to a JDAM (since it uses the same guidance package). That's not a TLAM, but it is better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. It's not an accuracy issue. We're back to the 'how do it fly' issue. Note that the GPS is NOT really intended to allow you to attack land targets, but rather to do littoral work and use it in crowded waterways. Yes, I know. But the fact remains that it will fly to a set of GPS coordinates and go bang. I call that a limited land-attack capability. But that's not why we don't have to worry about it. Fred, if you have a point, please just make it already. This eliptical BS is getting very tedious. The point was made over a day ago. The folks buying these are also buying purpose-built ASMs as part of the packages. Sorry Fred, I see no sign of such a post in the articles I have received in this thread. It's possible something didn't make it to me, I suppose. If it was somewhere in the Israeli thread instead, but I gave up on that one a couple of days ago. -- Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail "If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed)
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#18
October 16th 03, 07:57 PM
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:29:32 GMT, Fred J. McCall
wrote: "Thomas Schoene" wrote: :"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message m : "Thomas Schoene" wrote: : : Of course not. It comes that way already -- the standard Harpoon : Block II has limited land-attack capability via GPS/INS navigation. : : Very limited. : :Accuracy should be comparable to a JDAM (since it uses the same guidance ackage). That's not a TLAM, but it is better than a poke in the eye with a:sharp stick. It's not an accuracy issue. We're back to the 'how do it fly' issue. Note that the GPS is NOT really intended to allow you to attack land targets, but rather to do littoral work and use it in crowded waterways. GPS is intended to be accurate everywhere, land, sea, or ice cap, it makes no difference. Al Minyard
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#19
October 17th 03, 04:20 AM
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"Thomas Schoene" wrote:
:"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message : "Thomas Schoene" wrote: : : : Accuracy should be comparable to a JDAM (since it uses the same : guidance package). That's not a TLAM, but it is better than a poke : in the eye with a sharp stick. : : It's not an accuracy issue. We're back to the 'how do it fly' issue. : Note that the GPS is NOT really intended to allow you to attack land : targets, but rather to do littoral work and use it in crowded : waterways. : :Yes, I know. But the fact remains that it will fly to a set of GPS :coordinates and go bang. I call that a limited land-attack capability. So do I. Very limited, since it's not much good in any but the flattest terrain. Oh, you could presumably deliberately use air launched to what is essentially a 'line of sight' point, but surely there are so many better weapons for that that no one would do it. : But that's not why we don't have to worry about it. : : Fred, if you have a point, please just make it already. This : eliptical BS is getting very tedious. : : The point was made over a day ago. The folks buying these are also : buying purpose-built ASMs as part of the packages. : :Sorry Fred, I see no sign of such a post in the articles I have received in :this thread. It's possible something didn't make it to me, I suppose. If :it was somewhere in the Israeli thread instead, but I gave up on that one a :couple of days ago. Someone from Korea (pretty sure it was in this thread, but maybe not) commented on the F-15K deal shortly after I posted my remark the first time with something along the lines of "That's right, because we're buying SLAM-ER, too." -- "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute." -- Charles Pinckney
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#20
October 18th 03, 12:34 AM
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"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
"Thomas Schoene" wrote: Yes, I know. But the fact remains that it will fly to a set of GPS coordinates and go bang. I call that a limited land-attack capability. So do I. Very limited, since it's not much good in any but the flattest terrain. Oh, you could presumably deliberately use air launched to what is essentially a 'line of sight' point, but surely there are so many better weapons for that that no one would do it. I suspect it may get used from time to time, especially against port facilities. Some navies with Harpoon II have no other options right now. It's hard to tell, but some sources suggest that the Advanced Harpoon control system can produice overland flight profiles, presumably including some terrin clearance. Someone from Korea (pretty sure it was in this thread, but maybe not) commented on the F-15K deal shortly after I posted my remark the first time with something along the lines of "That's right, because we're buying SLAM-ER, too." OTOH, you said the same thing about Poland, and their package includes only JDAM and JSOW, not a powered stand-off weapon like SLAM-ER. -- Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail "If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed)
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