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jet vs jet crash in brazil - 155 likely dead
For those of you still waiting for the regulatory fallout from the
glider vs jet crash here in the US: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061001/..._plane_missing Quote of interest from the article: "The main question the investigation must address is how can this happen with two ultramodern aircraft with collision-preventing equipment," he said. Gol said the jet that crashed had been delivered by Boeing Co. just three weeks ago and had been flown for only 200 hours. -bob |
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jet vs jet crash in brazil - 155 likely dead
Here is a stunning article from one of the passengers of the corporate
jet: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/03/business/03road.html No words about any collision warning. Very odd. Ramy wrote: For those of you still waiting for the regulatory fallout from the glider vs jet crash here in the US: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061001/..._plane_missing Quote of interest from the article: "The main question the investigation must address is how can this happen with two ultramodern aircraft with collision-preventing equipment," he said. Gol said the jet that crashed had been delivered by Boeing Co. just three weeks ago and had been flown for only 200 hours. -bob |
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jet vs jet crash in brazil - 155 likely dead
Ramy wrote:
Here is a stunning article from one of the passengers of the corporate jet: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/03/business/03road.html No words about any collision warning. Very odd. Yes, it does sound odd. Here's a question for those who know about these planes, Brazilian airspace and/or Mode ES transponders: - Would both the 373 and the Embraer be fitted with mode ES transponders and TCAS systems? - is there secondary radar coverage in that pert of Brazil? - if a mode ES transponder is not receiving interrogation pulses, does it still output the periodic squitter burst? - would squitter bursts still be output if the secondary radar is filtered so it doesn't interrogate the transponder? Relevance to us: given that the CAA is trying to get Mode ES transponders fitted to all gliders, etc. are there any situations when am operational mode ES transponder is active but not sending information and so would be invisible to TCAS or PCAS receivers? I'm thinking particularly of cases when its in an area of poor radar coverage or is being filtered out. It seems to me that this could be quite a common situation for transponders in gliders being flown at low altitudes in remote hilly areas such as western Wales or the Scottish Highlands. -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org | |
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jet vs jet crash in brazil - 155 likely dead
Martin Gregorie wrote:[snip] - if a mode ES transponder is not receiving interrogation pulses, does it still output the periodic squitter burst? Martin, I expect an expert will answer definitively, but ages ago I picked up this quote which explains it in lay terms: "Mode S 'Announcement'. (thats not its proper name, which I forget, but conveys what it does). The transponder radiates a signal announcing its presence, to other mode S capable radar equipment in the area, about once a second. This signal contains a unique identifying 'Mode S Address'. This address is hardwired into the aircraft, and unique to the aircraft. I.E. no other aircraft, anywhere in the world, will have the same address. Note that this announcement is made unprompted, i.e. the transponder does not wait to be interrogated, it just sends the signal anyway. TCAS listens out for these announcement signals, and builds what is called a "Roll Call" of Mode S transponders in the area." (Furthermore, TCAS/TCAS dialogue takes place to resolve conflicts, without any ground/ATC SSR activation. The TCAS units squitter at each other. If TCAS detects a transponder which is not TCAS related, e.g. in a glider, it alerts the TCAS-equipped pilot to resolve the conflict without dialogue with the non-TCAS transponder, just using the latter's position and height data as squittered.) Chris N. |
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