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How do most of you pilots set up a flight plan and what nav-aids doyou use.
1st of all my only piloting is with ,46-1.0cu inch internal combustion
piston engine powered radio control airplanes but in my recent quest for some military knowledge I was treated decently here and directed to the proper group by more than one of your members. My question is; when you file a flight plan nowadays is it mostly using a GPS box or do many of you still use VOR stations to triangulate your course or ADF for that matter. I realize that not all personal aviation planes are equipped with all the gear for IFR flight but most probably do use some electronic aids for VFR flight as well. Back in 1973 when I was on something called "project transition" with only six months left in the USAF I worked part time at a small field in Concord Calif in the SFBA. Anyway my job was to install and repair VHF/VOR/landing localize radios, UHF glide-slope, transponders, ADF, emergency UART locators, and just about anything else in private aviation prior to the GPS era. I know a couple of guys who fly private AC and one is a fireman that built his own kit plane power by a standard Lycoming 4 cylinder boxer engine. The only nav-aids he has is a GPS receiver-display and a required UART G force tripped box flying out of now civilian Williams AFB. If he flew closer and or higher toward Phoenix Sky Harbor airport he would be required to also have a transponder so that the Sky Harbor GCA could track his airplane and altitude and he'd have to tune his VHF radio to the GCA when in commercial airspace. Another question would be; these days, a VHF radio, GPS unit, UART & maybe a transponder would be all that would be required for a VFR flight. Is this the case or did I miss something obvious like a guy sitting in the pilot seat with flight schooling and pilot's license + his AC certified for flight by an FAA inspector?,- Thanks, Bob Nixon Chandler, AZ |
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How do most of you pilots set up a flight plan and what nav-aids do you use.
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, Bob Nixon wrote: Another question would be; these days, a VHF radio, GPS unit, UART & maybe a transponder would be all that would be required for a VFR flight. Is this the case or did I miss something obvious like a guy sitting in the pilot seat with flight schooling and pilot's license + his AC certified for flight by an FAA inspector?,- Actually, if you stay away from big airports, you don't need any of those items. Radio is optional, GPS is definitely optional, I don't even know what a UART is, and a transponder is optional. The radio and transponder can become mandatory if you go into airspace that requires it, but there's plenty that doesn't. No comment on your flight plan questions, because as a glider pilot my "flight plans" tend to be considerably different and more informal than the usual kind. -- Mike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon |
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How do most of you pilots set up a flight plan and what nav-aidsdo you use.
On Nov 10, 2:21*pm, Mike Ash wrote:
In article , *Bob Nixon wrote: Another question would be; these days, a VHF radio, GPS unit, UART & maybe a transponder would be all that would be required for a VFR flight. Is this the case or did I miss something obvious like a guy sitting in the pilot seat with flight schooling and pilot's license + his AC certified for flight by an FAA inspector?,- Actually, if you stay away from big airports, you don't need any of those items. Radio is optional, GPS is definitely optional, I don't even know what a UART is, and a transponder is optional. The radio and transponder can become mandatory if you go into airspace that requires it, but there's plenty that doesn't. No comment on your flight plan questions, because as a glider pilot my "flight plans" tend to be considerably different and more informal than the usual kind. My ex-brother in law took me up for a glider towed ride near Fremont Ca. mission peak (known to have good thermals) and the experience seemed very natural with less fear than a small powered airplane.BYW, dad's company in the 50's in Omaha before we moved to the SFBA owned a plane and as a kid I frew in in many times. I think it was a Cessna 150 or similar. Bob Nixon.. |
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How do most of you pilots set up a flight plan and what nav-aids do you use.
In article
, Bob Nixon wrote: My ex-brother in law took me up for a glider towed ride near Fremont Ca. mission peak (known to have good thermals) and the experience seemed very natural with less fear than a small powered airplane.BYW, dad's company in the 50's in Omaha before we moved to the SFBA owned a plane and as a kid I frew in in many times. I think it was a Cessna 150 or similar. I always like to say, with no engine there are simply fewer things to go wrong. And of course with a 40+:1 glide ratio it's a lot easier to stay within gliding range of a landable spot than in a typical light airplane. -- Mike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon |
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How do most of you pilots set up a flight plan and what nav-aids do you use.
From the context and description, I think what he's calling the UART is what
we call an ELT. Scott Wilson |
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How do most of you pilots set up a flight plan and what nav-aids do you use.
"Bob Nixon" wrote: My question is; when you file a flight plan nowadays is it mostly using a GPS box or do many of you still use VOR stations to triangulate your course or ADF for that matter. I realize that not all personal aviation planes are equipped with all the gear for IFR flight but most probably do use some electronic aids for VFR flight as well. Pretty much GPS for everything, nowadays. I may have VORs in the flight plan, but I won't generally use the receivers in the airplane to navigate to them unless I just feel like practicing. Their days are numbered and ADFs are already disappearing fast. UART G force tripped box What the heck is that? Another question would be; these days, a VHF radio, GPS unit, UART & maybe a transponder would be all that would be required for a VFR flight. As Mike Nash said, you don't need any of those things if you stay out of certain kinds of airspace. -- Dan T182T at 4R4 |
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How do most of you pilots set up a flight plan and what nav-aidsdo you use.
On Nov 10, 5:09*pm, "Dan Luke" wrote:
"Bob Nixon" *wrote: My question is; when you file a flight plan nowadays is it mostly using a GPS box or do many of you still use VOR stations to triangulate your course or ADF for that matter. I realize that not all personal aviation planes are equipped with all the gear for IFR flight but most probably do use some electronic aids for VFR flight as well. Pretty much GPS for everything, nowadays. *I may have VORs in the flight plan, but I won't generally use the receivers in the airplane to navigate to them unless I just feel like practicing. *Their days are numbered and ADFs are already disappearing fast. UART G force tripped box What the heck is that? Another question would be; these days, a VHF radio, GPS unit, UART & maybe a transponder would be all that would be required for a VFR flight. As Mike Nash said, you don't need any of those things if you stay out of certain kinds of airspace. -- Dan T182T at 4R4 The UART that I used to install back in 73 was a yellow colored snap- on or Velcro battery powered emergency location crash transmitter box. If the plan went down in the peaks of a mountain it could be located several hundred miles away. I had though it would have been manditory by now but apparently not I was California so maybe it was a local requirment or not at all. Thanks for responding folks Bob Nixon.. |
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How do most of you pilots set up a flight plan and what nav-aids do you use.
Bob Nixon wrote:
The UART that I used to install back in 73 was a yellow colored snap- on or Velcro battery powered emergency location crash transmitter box. Aha! Perhaps you mean AN/URT beacon set radio, right? As in this: http://www.tpub.com/1ase2/43.htm To me, UART means "Universal Asynchronous Receiver/Transmitter" and was a handy chip to have when one wanted to convert serial bit stream to parallel byte streams and vice versa (as in modems and such.) Sure beat wiring together (and debugging) discrete TTL chips to accomplish the same thing. |
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How do most of you pilots set up a flight plan and what nav-aidsdo you use.
Jim Logajan wrote:
Bob Nixon wrote: The UART that I used to install back in 73 was a yellow colored snap- on or Velcro battery powered emergency location crash transmitter box. Aha! Perhaps you mean AN/URT beacon set radio, right? As in this: http://www.tpub.com/1ase2/43.htm Aha! I was wondering 'bout that. BrianW |
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How do most of you pilots set up a flight plan and what nav-aidsdo you use.
On Nov 10, 6:10*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
Bob Nixon wrote: The UART that I used to install back in *73 was a yellow colored snap- on or Velcro battery powered emergency location crash transmitter box. Aha! Perhaps you mean AN/URT beacon set radio, right? As in this: http://www.tpub.com/1ase2/43.htm To me, UART means "Universal Asynchronous Receiver/Transmitter" and was a handy chip to have when one wanted to convert serial bit stream to parallel byte streams and vice versa (as in modems and such.) Sure beat wiring together (and debugging) discrete TTL chips to accomplish the same thing. I must have gotten those acronyms messed up over the years, How about ELT for emergency location transmitter? |
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