OT - 10 steps to fascist police state

"gatt" wrote in message
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Larry Dighera wrote:

And that is a BS number.

Control != Own

So Larry, what is your definition of "Control" that can boost the number
from 33.4% to 90%?

A friend of mine who is a Statistics instructor regularly dismantles
figures such as these. The US economic system is too complex to say
offhand "this percentage owns this percentage"; it depends on how you
derive your data and how it is organized. By and large, though,
corporations are run by people like Carly Fiorina and folks who get paid
hundreds of millions of dollars

Paid that much by whom?

despite destroying companies and costing hundreds or thousands of jobs,

And that's why our economy is outstripping ever other country in the world,
including China (10% grwoth from nothing is still not much), India (same)...

Further, that's somewhat the same logic that one minority criminal is
indicitive off all that same group.

and the average working-class Joe Commercial Pilot, cop, truck driver,
support technician, electrician, assembly line operator...the people who
ACTUALLY MAKE THE CORPORATION RUN...make a pittance of what these people
award themselves as hiring or firing bonuses.

How much responsibility does the truck driver have (a $50K rig) versus the
responsibility that a CEO does (a 50-200 $$BILLION corporation).

I'll agree there are quite a few overpaid/incompetent exec's, just like
there are far more overpaid entertainers and athletes.

Maybe if you made more of a career and less of whining and barfing back
media drivel, you might be doing "really well".

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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On 2007-04-24 16:23:53 -0700, "gatt" said:

-c

Of course. If the facts don't agree with the original premise, declare the
statistics to be meaningless and arbitrary.

The fact is, 1% of Americans do not control 90% of the wealth unless you
are a rabid conspiracy theorist. Then you just assume everything is
controlled by the Illuminati or the Trilateral Commission or Bavarian
Bankers or Halliburton or what-have-you. Since no one can prove you wrong,
you must be right, eh?


Example: One CEO "controls" a $100 Billion corporation that has 100,000
shareholders.

See how easy that is? Of course, that would take just a smidge of brainpower
and one's "feelings" would get hurt.

"Steve Foley" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Of course. If the facts don't agree with the original premise, declare
the statistics to be meaningless and arbitrary.

The fact is, 1% of Americans do not control 90% of the wealth unless you
are a rabid conspiracy theorist.

The fact is that I control 100% of the wealth.


I control the vertical, I control the horizontal....

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:42:40 GMT, "Private"
wrote:

Well written and thought provoking IMHO

If laughing so hard that I fall of my chair counts as thought
provoking, OK.

The rise of Fascism relies on people having the notion that their own
prosperity, power and security derive from being a member of some
collective. Individualism, as expressed by capitalism, is the absolute
antidote to fascism.

So, if you want to avoid a fascist state, then adopt the Gates, and
the Jobs, and the CEO's who pull in mega salaries as your heroes. So
long as the individual is free excel, and admired rather than envied
when he gets rich, we will not have fascism here.

It is when equality becomes more our goal than excellence that the
jackboots draw near.

Don



Virginia - the only State with a flag rated
"R" for partial nudity and graphic violence.

"Don Tabor" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:42:40 GMT, "Private"
wrote:

Well written and thought provoking IMHO

If laughing so hard that I fall of my chair counts as thought
provoking, OK.

The rise of Fascism relies on people having the notion that their own
prosperity, power and security derive from being a member of some
collective. Individualism, as expressed by capitalism, is the absolute
antidote to fascism.

Funny how communism and fascism seem so similar.

On 2007-04-25 06:35:01 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
said:

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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On 2007-04-24 16:23:53 -0700, "gatt" said:

-c

Of course. If the facts don't agree with the original premise, declare the
statistics to be meaningless and arbitrary.

The fact is, 1% of Americans do not control 90% of the wealth unless you
are a rabid conspiracy theorist. Then you just assume everything is
controlled by the Illuminati or the Trilateral Commission or Bavarian
Bankers or Halliburton or what-have-you. Since no one can prove you wrong,
you must be right, eh?


Example: One CEO "controls" a $100 Billion corporation that has 100,000
shareholders.

See how easy that is? Of course, that would take just a smidge of brainpower
and one's "feelings" would get hurt.

The trouble with that is the assumption that the country's wealth is
tied up in large corporations. It is not. And, as anyone who DOES work
for a large corporation knows, the CEO is rarely in 'control.'

Comrade, it may be useful to lie to the masses about the control that
the globe-trotting capitalist dogs exert over their lives, but we must
keep our eyes open and not be deceived by our own propaganda. Let the
populist pols do that. The bourgeousie control the bulk of the wealth,
but they must never know that or they will never join the people's
revolution. Encourage them to believe they are fighting corporate
tyranny. When they are ready, we will give them knives and they will
cut their own throats.

One word of warning about associating too closely with Larry Dighera. I
am preparing to denounce the insufferable Trotskyite pig as a bourgeous
reactionary. The man is a socialist, not a true believer. :-)
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On 2007-04-25 11:24:36 -0700, "Chris" said:


"Don Tabor" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:42:40 GMT, "Private"
wrote:

Well written and thought provoking IMHO

If laughing so hard that I fall of my chair counts as thought
provoking, OK.

The rise of Fascism relies on people having the notion that their own
prosperity, power and security derive from being a member of some
collective. Individualism, as expressed by capitalism, is the absolute
antidote to fascism.

Funny how communism and fascism seem so similar.

They seem similar because they are the same. Stalin was a great admirer
of Hitler and copied his methods. They all end up the same: state
control of production, violent silencing of dissidents, the leaders
assuming that they are the sole representatives of the collective will
and that all dissent and failure must be the result of sabotage by
criminals.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell wrote:


One word of warning about associating too closely with Larry Dighera.
I am preparing to denounce the insufferable Trotskyite pig as a
bourgeous reactionary. The man is a socialist, not a true believer. :-
)


You owe me a new keyboard C J

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message ...

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:37:38 -0400, Jose
wrote in :


If you don't like what you choose to watch, turn off the TV.


And what of the news you'd like to watch, but because it may have a
negative impact on the news media's parent company, it isn't reported?



Then you won't know about it and will continue to live in blissfull ignorance. On the other hand, if you DO know "the news media" is conspiring against you then you already know where to go to get the "real" news.

--
Jim Fisher
(Who has lived with the "liberal news media"for 45 years and is still not brainwashed)

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message ...
: On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:37:38 -0400, Jose
: wrote in :
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: If you don't like what you choose to watch, turn off the TV.
:
: And what of the news you'd like to watch, but because it may have a
: negative impact on the news media's parent company, it isn't reported?
:


PBS?