City controlled airspace?

Mxsmanic wrote:

That is precisely why you do NOT need a license to
fly in USA. You do however need a certificate.

They are one and the same.

We have just explained the (fundamental) difference.
Re-read the post. Stop. Think about it.

--Sylvain

Chris wrote:

Outside the US the certificate is called and treated as a licence under
ICAO.

A long time ago, before the whole JAR thing, the French used to deliver
two documents: a 'brevet' (roughly speaking a certificate) and a 'license'.

So some other countries at least used to know the difference.

--Sylvain

Sylvain writes:

We have just explained the (fundamental) difference.

All I've seen is total disagreement on what the difference is, if any. It's
pretty clear that nobody really has a clue (but everyone wants to sound like
an authority). Par for the course on USENET.

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Sylvain writes:

A long time ago, before the whole JAR thing, the French used to deliver
two documents: a 'brevet' (roughly speaking a certificate) and a 'license'.

So some other countries at least used to know the difference.

I'd hardly hold French aviation up as an example to anyone.

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Chris wrote:

Outside the US the certificate is called and treated as a licence under
ICAO.

A long time ago, before the whole JAR thing, the French used to deliver
two documents: a 'brevet' (roughly speaking a certificate) and a
'license'.

So some other countries at least used to know the difference.

The French still have the brevet but its only good for France and does not
"travel".

"Sylvain" wrote in message
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Chris wrote:

Outside the US the certificate is called and treated as a licence under
ICAO.

A long time ago, before the whole JAR thing, the French used to deliver
two documents: a 'brevet' (roughly speaking a certificate) and a
'license'.


Roughly speaking brevet means "licence" as in "Brevet et autres moyens de
protection des inventions pharmaceutiques: Drug Patents and Other Ways to
Protect Pharmaceutical Research

"Sylvain" wrote in message
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That is precisely why you do NOT need a license to
fly in USA. You do however need a certificate.


An airman certificate is a license.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Maxwell writes:

A license is just a good way to filter out idiots like you. Protects
people
on the ground from the incompetent.

If that were true, there would be no aviation accidents due to pilot
error.
In reality, pilot error is the leading cause of accidents.


No, because anyone can make a mistake. It just eliminates the possibility of
some idot like you from teaching himself to fly on MSFS, and then getting
into a real aircraft and killing innocent people because he had no grasp on
his own limitations.

Maxwell writes:

No, because anyone can make a mistake. It just eliminates the possibility of
some idot like you from teaching himself to fly on MSFS, and then getting
into a real aircraft and killing innocent people because he had no grasp on
his own limitations.

I'm certain that I would be a safer pilot even without a license than some of
the licensed pilots I've encountered. The validity of licensing as a tool for
identifying persons competent in a particularly domain is often exaggerated by
orders of magnitude, and aviation is no exception.

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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Maxwell writes:

No, because anyone can make a mistake. It just eliminates the possibility
of
some idot like you from teaching himself to fly on MSFS, and then getting
into a real aircraft and killing innocent people because he had no grasp
on
his own limitations.

I'm certain that I would be a safer pilot even without a license than some
of
the licensed pilots I've encountered. The validity of licensing as a tool
for
identifying persons competent in a particularly domain is often
exaggerated by
orders of magnitude, and aviation is no exception.


No, actually you just proved my point. You have never had you hands on
anything that flys, yet you state emphaticly that you are certain. Idots
like you are the best possible example of why the licensing process is so
vital to everyone's safety.