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Hi,
Can someone point me to any official accident statistics that would demonstrate the relative accident rates of various classes of certified and experimental helos? Specifically I would want to exclude any accidents that were pilot error or failure of maintenance. and only consider accidents where there was a design fault I'm interested to know how safe the design is on the various kit helos, in particular for Rotorway in the KISS turbine version. It concerns me that a lot of the luminaries of the kit helicopter world such as Schramm and Bedo have died in accidents, but I'm not sure if the reasons were faults in the aircraft or pilot error. Cheers, JohnO |
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JohnO wrote:
Hi, Can someone point me to any official accident statistics that would demonstrate the relative accident rates of various classes of certified and experimental helos? Specifically I would want to exclude any accidents that were pilot error or failure of maintenance. and only consider accidents where there was a design fault I'm interested to know how safe the design is on the various kit helos, in particular for Rotorway in the KISS turbine version. It concerns me that a lot of the luminaries of the kit helicopter world such as Schramm and Bedo have died in accidents, but I'm not sure if the reasons were faults in the aircraft or pilot error. Cheers, JohnO I believe Mr. Schramm suffered a heart attack, and died in the air. |
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Gem wrote: JohnO wrote: Hi, Can someone point me to any official accident statistics that would demonstrate the relative accident rates of various classes of certified and experimental helos? Specifically I would want to exclude any accidents that were pilot error or failure of maintenance. and only consider accidents where there was a design fault I'm interested to know how safe the design is on the various kit helos, in particular for Rotorway in the KISS turbine version. It concerns me that a lot of the luminaries of the kit helicopter world such as Schramm and Bedo have died in accidents, but I'm not sure if the reasons were faults in the aircraft or pilot error. Cheers, JohnO I believe Mr. Schramm suffered a heart attack, and died in the air. Oh. There's worse ways to go I guess... |
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Note: Discussions with Blake Estes of Eagle R&D, the home of the Helicycle,
there were autopsies that disproved the heart attack rumor for B.J. The most probable cause was fuel contamination causing engine stoppage while at a low altitude. BTW after reviewing a bunch of accidents involving experimental helicopters, there are darned few that can be attributable to only a design flaw. Most if not all were avoidable by proper pre-flight, proper inspection, or proper pilotage. Obviously some of the maintenance issues involved in crashes could have been avoided by a different, better, design, but that could be said for a lot of the Bell 47 accidents and they have been successfully operated for years. -- Stuart Fields Experimental Helo magazine P. O. Box 1585 Inyokern, CA 93527 (760) 377-4478 (760) 408-9747 general and layout cell (760) 608-1299 technical and advertising cell www.vkss.com www.experimentalhelo.com "JohnO" wrote in message oups.com... Gem wrote: JohnO wrote: Hi, Can someone point me to any official accident statistics that would demonstrate the relative accident rates of various classes of certified and experimental helos? Specifically I would want to exclude any accidents that were pilot error or failure of maintenance. and only consider accidents where there was a design fault I'm interested to know how safe the design is on the various kit helos, in particular for Rotorway in the KISS turbine version. It concerns me that a lot of the luminaries of the kit helicopter world such as Schramm and Bedo have died in accidents, but I'm not sure if the reasons were faults in the aircraft or pilot error. Cheers, JohnO I believe Mr. Schramm suffered a heart attack, and died in the air. Oh. There's worse ways to go I guess... |
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"JohnO" wrote in message oups.com... Hi, Can someone point me to any official accident statistics that would demonstrate the relative accident rates of various classes of certified and experimental helos? Specifically I would want to exclude any accidents that were pilot error or failure of maintenance. and only consider accidents where there was a design fault I'm interested to know how safe the design is on the various kit helos, in particular for Rotorway in the KISS turbine version. It concerns me that a lot of the luminaries of the kit helicopter world such as Schramm and Bedo have died in accidents, but I'm not sure if the reasons were faults in the aircraft or pilot error. Cheers, JohnO Do you mean something other than the NTSB records? http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp Tom |
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Tom Frey wrote: "JohnO" wrote in message oups.com... Hi, Can someone point me to any official accident statistics that would demonstrate the relative accident rates of various classes of certified and experimental helos? Specifically I would want to exclude any accidents that were pilot error or failure of maintenance. and only consider accidents where there was a design fault I'm interested to know how safe the design is on the various kit helos, in particular for Rotorway in the KISS turbine version. It concerns me that a lot of the luminaries of the kit helicopter world such as Schramm and Bedo have died in accidents, but I'm not sure if the reasons were faults in the aircraft or pilot error. Cheers, JohnO Do you mean something other than the NTSB records? http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp Tom Hi Tom, The link seems to be broken? |
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Snip ---------- Do you mean something other than the NTSB records? http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp Tom Hi Tom, The link seems to be broken? Let's hope it's just down for modification or repair, because I can't get it to work now either. I accessed it from their aviation page at http://www.ntsb.gov/aviation/aviation.htm, and the top three search options on that page are now yeilding the same error. |
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Tom Frey wrote: Snip ---------- Do you mean something other than the NTSB records? http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp Tom Hi Tom, The link seems to be broken? Let's hope it's just down for modification or repair, because I can't get it to work now either. I accessed it from their aviation page at http://www.ntsb.gov/aviation/aviation.htm, and the top three search options on that page are now yeilding the same error. I guess their server crashed. The irony! |
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JohnO wrote: Tom Frey wrote: Snip ---------- Do you mean something other than the NTSB records? http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp Tom Hi Tom, The link seems to be broken? Let's hope it's just down for modification or repair, because I can't get it to work now either. I accessed it from their aviation page at http://www.ntsb.gov/aviation/aviation.htm, and the top three search options on that page are now yeilding the same error. I guess their server crashed. The irony! It's back online! |
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JohnO wrote:
Hi, Can someone point me to any official accident statistics that would demonstrate the relative accident rates of various classes of certified and experimental helos? Specifically I would want to exclude any accidents that were pilot error or failure of maintenance. and only consider accidents where there was a design fault You can search the NTSB accident records by make of aircraft. You'll have to read the summaries yourself to exclude pilot error. Actually, for the Rotorway with the turbine conversion there may not be very many entries since they haven't been available for that long, and there are not that many flying. Good luck, Don W. |
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