Baby Bush will be Closing Airports in California to VFR Flight Again

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Nah, only liberals stick with what they believed in their youth...

um... does that make me a liberal?

Well, I dunno. I've never met a life-long Republican before.

Many (most?) of us started out all starry-eyed, believing that everyone
was
equal, and that the only reason some folks were paid more than others was
because of some amorphous "evil" in the world that held back "the people."
"From each, according to his abilities, to each, according to his needs"
wasn't just a Communist slogan -- many of us really believed it, and hoped
to make it a reality.

Those of us who obtained a liberal arts degree in college were REALLY fed
this line, and most of us swallowed it, hook, line and sinker.

It usually seems to take some true, harsh life experiences before one
realizes what a crock of sh*t all that really is.

What's that old saying? "A Conservative is a Liberal who has been
mugged."

Mugged by a bad guy...or just mugged by reality.

"It's said that criminals behave as they do because of their lack of
economic opportunities. Actually, it's more that they have no economic
opportunities BECAUSE they are criminals."

Tom
--
"The aim of public education is not to spread
enlightenment at all; it is simply to reduce as
many individuals as possible to the same safe
level, to breed a standard citizenry, to put down
dissent and originality,.." -- H.L. Mencken

Jay,

You seem to confuse being a liberal with being a socialist. I am a life long
liberal - I believe that government and industry has a responsibility to
help those in need, that the environment needs extensive protecting, that
most social programs do enough good to outweigh the inherent waste and
transfer costs...

I am also a confirmed capitalist. I built a company with over 300 employees
over a 15 year period. I sold it for enough money to enjoy a comfortable
retirement in my mid 40's, and started another company last year when I
found retirement boring. I've paid pretty extensive taxes - well worth it
for the privilege of living in the USA.

For some reason conservatives have stereotyped liberals as anti-business and
anti-patriotic. Neither is the case.

Michael


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:TmS1c.479999$na.1157858@attbi_s04...
Nah, only liberals stick with what they believed in their youth...

um... does that make me a liberal?

Well, I dunno. I've never met a life-long Republican before.

Many (most?) of us started out all starry-eyed, believing that everyone
was
equal, and that the only reason some folks were paid more than others was
because of some amorphous "evil" in the world that held back "the people."
"From each, according to his abilities, to each, according to his needs"
wasn't just a Communist slogan -- many of us really believed it, and hoped
to make it a reality.

Those of us who obtained a liberal arts degree in college were REALLY fed
this line, and most of us swallowed it, hook, line and sinker.

It usually seems to take some true, harsh life experiences before one
realizes what a crock of sh*t all that really is.

What's that old saying? "A Conservative is a Liberal who has been
mugged."
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Saryon" wrote in message
...
... Crawford is 10nm
up to 18k when he's not there.... So, should we expect P49 and P67 to

6nm, upto 5000 MSL when he's NOT there.

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, TX
Currently under TFR 30nm/10nm up to 18k because he "IS" there!

"Michael 182" wrote in message
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Jay,

You seem to confuse being a liberal with being a socialist. I am a life
long
liberal - I believe that government and industry has a responsibility to
help those in need, that the environment needs extensive protecting, that
most social programs do enough good to outweigh the inherent waste and
transfer costs...

The RESPONSIBILITY for those is need is those people themselves.


I am also a confirmed capitalist. I built a company with over 300
employees
over a 15 year period. I sold it for enough money to enjoy a comfortable
retirement in my mid 40's, and started another company last year when I
found retirement boring. I've paid pretty extensive taxes - well worth it
for the privilege of living in the USA.

You're living the the USA is your RIGHT, not a priviledge.


For some reason conservatives have stereotyped liberals as anti-business
and
anti-patriotic. Neither is the case.

Well, the evidence is sure strong enough.

You may look up George McGovern's quote about the failure of his business
after retiring from the Senate -- something about "If I'd known then what I
know now, my voting records would have been much different."

Tom -- Free marketer/Classical Liberal.

"Michael 182" wrote in message
news:QJS1c.177934$jk2.656404@attbi_s53...

You seem to confuse being a liberal with being a socialist.


Modern liberals are socialists.

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Michael 182" wrote in message
news:QJS1c.177934$jk2.656404@attbi_s53...
Jay,

You seem to confuse being a liberal with being a socialist. I am a life
long
liberal - I believe that government and industry has a responsibility to
help those in need, that the environment needs extensive protecting,
that
most social programs do enough good to outweigh the inherent waste and
transfer costs...

The RESPONSIBILITY for those is need is those people themselves.

I respectfully disagree. It is the responsibility of the fortunate to help
the less fortunate. Almost everyone believe this to some degree, hence the
extensive charitable contribution structure. Perhaps I lean toward more
redistribution than you, and different methods. But I don't want to live in
a society where we ignore hardship.



I am also a confirmed capitalist. I built a company with over 300
employees
over a 15 year period. I sold it for enough money to enjoy a comfortable
retirement in my mid 40's, and started another company last year when I
found retirement boring. I've paid pretty extensive taxes - well worth
it
for the privilege of living in the USA.

You're living the the USA is your RIGHT, not a priviledge.

It's both a right and a priviledge. They are not mutually exclusive.




For some reason conservatives have stereotyped liberals as anti-business
and
anti-patriotic. Neither is the case.

Well, the evidence is sure strong enough.

What evidence? This is the stereotype I was referring to.


You may look up George McGovern's quote about the failure of his business
after retiring from the Senate -- something about "If I'd known then what
I
know now, my voting records would have been much different."

George McGovern is a great example. He was a patriotic war hero and clearly
a liberal. His realization that the governmental burdens on small businesses
were too extensive came, unfortunately, too late in his life for his voting
to help the problem. I disliked many government intrusions on my business.
This isn't a liberal/conservative issue. For all the party line about
shrinking government, it has expanded dramatically under Republican rule.
Conservatives have been no more successful than liberals in streamlining the
government/business relationship.

Michael

Larry Dighera wrote:

On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:19:33 -0600, CriticalMass wrote
in Message-Id: :

Larry,

For pete's sake (and all the rest of our sakes), give "Baby Bush" a rest
- HERE.

I wasn't aware that you had been elected spokesman for ALL of
rec.aviation.piloting. :-)

You've well established your anti-Bush political bias in this ng, and,
I imagine, in as many other places as you can. I'm tired of it.

Perhaps YOU would like to take _responsibility_ for the content of
this newsgroup to which YOU are exposed, and filter out all the
phrases and authors YOU find unpalatable. Or are you really just
looking for an excuse to attack me publicly.

I bet some others are, too. We don't come to this ng to hear about your hate
for "Baby Bush".

The only time the word 'hate' has been used in this thread (until now)
is by you. You can characterize my article as hateful if that is how
you perceive it, but the fact is, it's merely FACTUAL. The hate you
perceive is yours; please don't project it onto me.

Perhaps it is baby Bush's audacious airspace grabs that are TRULY
hateful in their arrogant disregard for those he serves.

If you think Bush is bad, just you wait until you're introduced to John F Kerry
this summer. His block has already been tossed into disarray because of his
security, and he's not even President. But then again, what do you expect from
somone who actually had the fire hydrant moved in front of his house. John F
Kerry. A real man of the people. His Massachusetts democrat buddies Marty
Meehan and Ed Markey are already working on federal proposals to severely restrict
general aviation, all under the guise of "security." You can bet with every last
bottle of red (and green) ketchup that they will find a sympathetic ear in a Kerry
White House.

This isn't a liberal/conservative issue. For all the party line about
shrinking government, it has expanded dramatically under Republican rule.
Conservatives have been no more successful than liberals in streamlining
the
government/business relationship.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I regard the Republicans
as fiscally Conservative.

Perhaps they once were -- but they sure aren't anymore. Which is why we
desperately need a third party in this country.

A fiscally conservative political party, without all the religious baggage,
would win in every precinct.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Larry Dighera wrote:

On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 03:34:21 GMT, "Michael 182"
wrote in Message-Id:
1tx1c.109512$Xp.479440@attbi_s54:

While I think President
Bush is the worst president we have suffered in my 50 years, and I look
forward to the opportunity to work for his opponent this year, he is
president, and should be given the courtesy and respect afforded the office.

Baby Bush was _declared_ President, not elected.

Wrong. Read the constitution, article II, and get back to us when you're clued
in.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news9T1c.42536$ko6.377510@attbi_s02...
This isn't a liberal/conservative issue. For all the party line about
shrinking government, it has expanded dramatically under Republican
rule.
Conservatives have been no more successful than liberals in streamlining
the
government/business relationship.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I regard the Republicans
as fiscally Conservative.

Perhaps they once were -- but they sure aren't anymore.

When would that "perhaps" be? Historically?

Once past a second term, "all" members of Congress become spendthrifts.


Which is why we
desperately need a third party in this country.

We have a bunch of them; Libertarians (very fiscally conservative, and they
got 1/20th the votes of the very UNFISCALLY CONSERVATIVE...), Green party,
Perotista's, Buchannenits,


A fiscally conservative political party, without all the religious
baggage,
would win in every precinct.

No, they would not. See above.

If Madison and Jefferson could be resurrected and run in an election they'd
get 5%, even if people knew who they were. If they did manage to win, they'd
be out after one term.

Until America changes between the ears things will NOT change through the
political process.

--
"He that would make his own liberty secure,
must guard even his enemy from oppression;
for if he violates this duty, he establishes
a precedent that will reach to himself." -- Thomas Paine