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Hey, Germany Invented It... Face It
I see that no civil discussion can take place here despite the fact
that you "adults" claim to cherish military aviation. So why all the fuss about German aircraft, jets or otherwise? I live in America now but don't like the blatant arrogance I see whenever history is talked about in regards to military aircraft. Every American I have had discussions with usually end up in disaster because the ignorant American can't get it through his thick skull that they owe practically everything to Germany in the field of modern military aviation. We could discuss Allied centrifugal jets that lost out in the long run. German engineers told them that in 1945. We could discuss the US reliance on German wind tunnel data to build a large variety of postwar military aircraft and research aircraft. We could discuss the various guns and missile systems copied by the US and Allies to be applied to those military aircraft. We could talk about the German invention of stealth that the US applied to both the U-2 and SR-71. Lastly we could talk about the taboo discs and forms of propulsion beyond the axial-flow Jumo 004B, which was way beyong US science of the time and not even perfected until possibly the late 1980s or '90s. But ignorant Americans choose to believe lies instead. When confronted with the truth they hide behind sour words like "you lost the war", "Yeager broke the sound barrier", "the US invented everything military aviation wise postwar". All of this is nonsense. It is patriotic and endearing to veterans of World War II but the opposite of reality. Germany was robbed of its entire aviation core and the hunt was on for the escaping Nazis that took the exotics with them. The United States scoured South America and went to Antarctica for this reason as soon as interrogations of German SS personnell led them to these locations. Yet they failed. General Kammler got away and with him the disc technology of Vril. A U-boat fleet went missing with him and the submarines that surrendered in Argentina had fulfilled their mission- unload at Base 211. Americans are extraordinarily ignorant of the true nature of Hitler's Germany and the underlying reasons why such disc aircraft came into being. If Hitler had no occult ties there never would have been any of these revolutionary machines. I have no doubt the US eventually discovered their secret and maybe even traded for the technology from Base 211. Popular Mechanics is doing a cover that shows "when the UFOs arrive". Imagine for a brief second what would happen if the UFO that eventually lands is bearing the Iron Cross. Just think about it, don't rush to conclusions. I don't expect anyone to believe what I believe. This is America and you can disagree. But don't attack someone to do it. Just state why you don't think so. Peace, Erich Adler |
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"Erich Adler" wrote in message m... I see that no civil discussion can take place here despite the fact that you "adults" claim to cherish military aviation. So why all the fuss about German aircraft, jets or otherwise? I was reading this seriously until you talked about that paragon of stealthiness, the U-2. After I got through laughing I read the rest. Great parody. You have a talent there. Never lose your sense of humor. Tex |
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"Erich Adler" wrote in message m... I see that no civil discussion can take place here despite the fact that you "adults" claim to cherish military aviation. So why all the fuss about German aircraft, jets or otherwise? I live in America now but don't like the blatant arrogance I see whenever history is talked about in regards to military aircraft. Every American I have had discussions with usually end up in disaster because the ignorant American can't get it through his thick skull that they owe practically everything to Germany in the field of modern military aviation. We could discuss Allied centrifugal jets that lost out in the long run. German engineers told them that in 1945. American and US companies were already working on axial flow designs before the end of the war. They knew very well that the centrifugal design had a limited scope for development but they also knew it would be easier to produce a reliable engine that way. This turned out to be correct. We could discuss the US reliance on German wind tunnel data to build a large variety of postwar military aircraft and research aircraft. We could discuss the various guns and missile systems copied by the US and Allies to be applied to those military aircraft. We could talk about the German invention of stealth that the US applied to both the U-2 and SR-71. Lastly we could talk about the taboo discs and forms of propulsion beyond the axial-flow Jumo 004B, which was way beyong US science of the time and not even perfected until possibly the late 1980s or '90s. Bull**** , the Jumo 004B was a typical first generation engine in terms of performance with woeful reliability and had poorer performance than the Derwent. This is of course why the Soviets used the RR centrifugal engine in the Mig-15 Keith |
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So why havent the disks and thier masters retuned to the Fatherland, made
tons of money and fixxed all of Germanys woes? Because when they landed in Antarctica they accidently disturbed Gwar and Gwar ate them! "Tex Houston" wrote in message ... "Erich Adler" wrote in message m... I see that no civil discussion can take place here despite the fact that you "adults" claim to cherish military aviation. So why all the fuss about German aircraft, jets or otherwise? I was reading this seriously until you talked about that paragon of stealthiness, the U-2. After I got through laughing I read the rest. Great parody. You have a talent there. Never lose your sense of humor. Tex |
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"Erich Adler" wrote in message m... I see that no civil discussion can take place here despite the fact that you "adults" claim to cherish military aviation. So why all the fuss about German aircraft, jets or otherwise? I live in America now but don't like the blatant arrogance I see whenever history is talked about in regards to military aircraft. Every American I have had discussions with usually end up in disaster because the ignorant American can't get it through his thick skull that they owe practically everything to Germany in the field of modern military aviation. Oh, goody, another Arndt..."practically everything", huh? Other than that your diatribe was not too bad right up until you got to the "stealthy" U-2 (which is a rather unique claim) andthen went 'round the bend with the "taboo discs" and tails of alleged US expeditions to Antarctica in search of them. What a hoot. Brooks We could discuss Allied centrifugal jets that lost out in the long run. German engineers told them that in 1945. We could discuss the US reliance on German wind tunnel data to build a large variety of postwar military aircraft and research aircraft. We could discuss the various guns and missile systems copied by the US and Allies to be applied to those military aircraft. We could talk about the German invention of stealth that the US applied to both the U-2 and SR-71. Lastly we could talk about the taboo discs and forms of propulsion beyond the axial-flow Jumo 004B, which was way beyong US science of the time and not even perfected until possibly the late 1980s or '90s. But ignorant Americans choose to believe lies instead. When confronted with the truth they hide behind sour words like "you lost the war", "Yeager broke the sound barrier", "the US invented everything military aviation wise postwar". All of this is nonsense. It is patriotic and endearing to veterans of World War II but the opposite of reality. Germany was robbed of its entire aviation core and the hunt was on for the escaping Nazis that took the exotics with them. The United States scoured South America and went to Antarctica for this reason as soon as interrogations of German SS personnell led them to these locations. Yet they failed. General Kammler got away and with him the disc technology of Vril. A U-boat fleet went missing with him and the submarines that surrendered in Argentina had fulfilled their mission- unload at Base 211. Americans are extraordinarily ignorant of the true nature of Hitler's Germany and the underlying reasons why such disc aircraft came into being. If Hitler had no occult ties there never would have been any of these revolutionary machines. I have no doubt the US eventually discovered their secret and maybe even traded for the technology from Base 211. Popular Mechanics is doing a cover that shows "when the UFOs arrive". Imagine for a brief second what would happen if the UFO that eventually lands is bearing the Iron Cross. Just think about it, don't rush to conclusions. I don't expect anyone to believe what I believe. This is America and you can disagree. But don't attack someone to do it. Just state why you don't think so. Peace, Erich Adler |
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Erich Adler wrote:
[waste of bandwidth snipped ...] This is America No, this is UseNet. and you can disagree. Thank you _very much_ for giving me this option. But don't attack someone to do it. Just state why you don't think so. Ok, I'll bite :-). You ask me why I don't believe your stories (German disks, Antarctica bases, etc.)? I'll give you a very simple answer, and I'm at a loss why you can't understand it: **Nobody*has*ever*presented*any*genuine*factual*ev idence*for*your*fairy **tales! And, just in case, in German: **Niemand*hat*jemals*irgendwelche*ungefälschte*Bew eise*für*deine **Märchengeschichten*vorgelegt! And I do not count those rather pathetic fake images of German disks all over the web. So, given the above, WHY THE **** [1] should I believe your drivel?!? I believe in God, but everyone else has to present evidence. Andreas [1] Sorry for the loud swearing |
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Since everyone else is countering your ridiculous posts with fact, I'll go
to the base level: You're a profoundly myopic, ignorant and relatively stupid individual. You've immersed yourself in an opinion and spent your life supporting it, giving you detailed knowledge of names, numbers and timeframes, but absolutely no ability to assimilate anything else - like, oh, perspective or, oh, truth or, oh, reality. |
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"Andreas Parsch" wrote in message ... Erich Adler wrote: So, given the above, WHY THE **** [1] should I believe your drivel?!? I believe in God, but everyone else has to present evidence. Andreas [1] Sorry for the loud swearing No problem and tahnk you Andreas for reminding us that most Germans are sane rational beings. Keith |
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In article ,
Keith Willshaw wrote: "Erich Adler" wrote in message We could discuss Allied centrifugal jets that lost out in the long run. German engineers told them that in 1945. Uh, no. You're thinking "Metropolitan-Vickers in 1943" American and US companies were already working on axial flow designs before the end of the war. They knew very well that the centrifugal design had a limited scope for development but they also knew it would be easier to produce a reliable engine that way. This turned out to be correct. Yep. Metrovick had a very tasty axial-flow engine (the basis of Armstrong-Siddeley and later Bristol-Siddeley engines to come) flying in late 1943. Not a bad engine at all. And a fighter powered by two of 'em was testing before the end of the war (intended for pacific operations). Bull**** , the Jumo 004B was a typical first generation engine in terms of performance with woeful reliability and had poorer performance than the Derwent. This is of course why the Soviets used the RR centrifugal engine in the Mig-15 And why one Adolf Galland - who flew both - rated the Meteor as a better fighter than the 262. It had *much* better engines. I'll grant that he did say the 262 might have been better if it had Derwents, but it would be interesting to try and mate the two. -- Andy Breen ~ Interplanetary Scintillation Research Group http://users.aber.ac.uk/azb/ "Time has stopped, says the Black Lion clock and eternity has begun" (Dylan Thomas) |
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