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  #21  
Old October 11th 06, 11:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Bob Gardner
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Default Airplane in NYC is a Cirrus SR20

I heard two "experts" commenting on the crash. One went on and on about how
airflow over the wing creates a vacuum which lifts the airplane, and if it
banked suddenly the vacuum would disappear. He did talk about Class B,
almost as though he knew what he was talking about. The second guy raged on
about how the plane was over the river but he knew that this was just an
accident waiting to happen and that all GA airplanes should file flight
plans.

Bob Gardner

"City Dweller" wrote in message
...
A pilot correspondent at CNN said that (can't remember his name).

-- cd


"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
...
"City Dweller" wrote in message
...
He busted Class B too.


What makes you say so? The crash site is abeam FDR Island, adjacent to
part of the East River VFR corridor. (Or do you just mean that he was
slightly inland at the moment of the crash?) And is it known yet if he
might have had a Class B clearance?

--Gary

-cd

"A. Sinan Unur" wrote in message
...
CNN is reporting that the pilot was a Yankee's pitcher: Lidle. He
apparently got his license only 7 months ago. Bragged about how safe
his
plane was. I have a feeling this is similar to JFK junior's case of not
knowing one's limitations.

Sinan
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  #22  
Old October 12th 06, 12:06 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Peter R.
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Default Airplane in NYC is a Cirrus SR20

Michael Ware wrote:

Populated area - 1000 foot min.


Not applicable to the NY VFR corridor, which permits VFR activity at 1,100
and below down the Hudson River, over NY Harbor including around the Statue
of Liberty, and up the East River to the end of Roosevelt Island.

It is very common for aircraft to fly the VFR corridor anywhere from 900
feet down to 500 feet MSL.

--
Peter
  #23  
Old October 12th 06, 12:08 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Michael Ware
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Default Airplane in NYC is a Cirrus SR20

Populated area - 1000 foot min.

"EridanMan" wrote in message
ups.com...
My mistake, I don't have an NYC sectional in front of me.... I figured
the 500 feet above tallest building in viscinity rule would apply.

an a.net user found this-

http://www4.passur.com/lga.html

Set time to 14:41...

Gary Drescher wrote:
"EridanMan" wrote in message
oups.com...
Isn't the restricted floor in the area ~1500 feet?

1500 foot floor, 1800 foot cieling... VFR into IMC anyone?


No. Class E in the corridor has a *ceiling* of 1100-1500 feet, not a

floor.

--Gary




  #24  
Old October 12th 06, 12:12 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Matt Whiting
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Default Airplane in NYC is a Cirrus SR20

City Dweller wrote:
A pilot correspondent at CNN said that (can't remember his name).


Well, if it came from CNN that it must be true!

{intense sarcasm was in the previous sentence for those so impaired}

Matt
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Old October 12th 06, 12:30 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"A. Sinan Unur" wrote in message ...
: CNN is reporting that the pilot was a Yankee's pitcher: Lidle. He
: apparently got his license only 7 months ago. Bragged about how safe his
: plane was. I have a feeling this is similar to JFK junior's case of not
: knowing one's limitations.
:
: Sinan
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: A. Sinan Unur
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He was apparently flying with his instructor. Sad day...


  #26  
Old October 12th 06, 12:42 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jon Kraus
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Default Airplane in NYC is a Cirrus SR20

I was wondering when the flight-plan issue would come up... :-)



Bob Gardner wrote:

I heard two "experts" commenting on the crash. One went on and on about how
airflow over the wing creates a vacuum which lifts the airplane, and if it
banked suddenly the vacuum would disappear. He did talk about Class B,
almost as though he knew what he was talking about. The second guy raged on
about how the plane was over the river but he knew that this was just an
accident waiting to happen and that all GA airplanes should file flight
plans.

Bob Gardner

"City Dweller" wrote in message
...

A pilot correspondent at CNN said that (can't remember his name).

-- cd


"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
...

"City Dweller" wrote in message
...

He busted Class B too.

What makes you say so? The crash site is abeam FDR Island, adjacent to
part of the East River VFR corridor. (Or do you just mean that he was
slightly inland at the moment of the crash?) And is it known yet if he
might have had a Class B clearance?

--Gary


-cd

"A. Sinan Unur" wrote in message
. ..

CNN is reporting that the pilot was a Yankee's pitcher: Lidle. He
apparently got his license only 7 months ago. Bragged about how safe
his
plane was. I have a feeling this is similar to JFK junior's case of not
knowing one's limitations.

Sinan
--
A. Sinan Unur
(remove .invalid and reverse each component for email address)






  #27  
Old October 12th 06, 01:46 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Morgans[_2_]
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Default Airplane in NYC is a Cirrus SR20


"EridanMan" wrote in message
oups.com...
Isn't the restricted floor in the area ~1500 feet?

1500 foot floor, 1800 foot cieling... VFR into IMC anyonMultiple eyewitnesses
could see the plane approach. No visability problems.


There was also an instructor aboard, supposeably. This may have been the first
leg of a flight back to California, to his home.
--
Jim in NC

  #28  
Old October 12th 06, 03:37 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
John Godwin
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"Michael Ware" wrote in
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Populated area - 1000 foot min.


Close, flying up the East River you might not be within 2,000 feet
(horizontally) of the structures:

Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any
open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the
highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the
aircraft.

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  #29  
Old October 12th 06, 03:41 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
City Dweller[_1_]
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Default Airplane in NYC is a Cirrus SR20

The guy on CNN I was listening to was under the assumption that the plane
had been crossing Manhattan from the West Side before crashing. That would
imply a Class Bravo bust. Then it turned out the plane had actually been
flying up East River and making a U-turn. That, of course, makes the Class B
bust assertion completely irrelevant.

--cd


"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
...
I heard two "experts" commenting on the crash. One went on and on about how
airflow over the wing creates a vacuum which lifts the airplane, and if it
banked suddenly the vacuum would disappear. He did talk about Class B,
almost as though he knew what he was talking about. The second guy raged on
about how the plane was over the river but he knew that this was just an
accident waiting to happen and that all GA airplanes should file flight
plans.

Bob Gardner

"City Dweller" wrote in message
...
A pilot correspondent at CNN said that (can't remember his name).

-- cd


"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
...
"City Dweller" wrote in message
...
He busted Class B too.

What makes you say so? The crash site is abeam FDR Island, adjacent to
part of the East River VFR corridor. (Or do you just mean that he was
slightly inland at the moment of the crash?) And is it known yet if he
might have had a Class B clearance?

--Gary

-cd

"A. Sinan Unur" wrote in message
...
CNN is reporting that the pilot was a Yankee's pitcher: Lidle. He
apparently got his license only 7 months ago. Bragged about how safe
his
plane was. I have a feeling this is similar to JFK junior's case of
not
knowing one's limitations.

Sinan
--
A. Sinan Unur
(remove .invalid and reverse each component for email address)










  #30  
Old October 12th 06, 07:45 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Default Airplane in NYC is a Cirrus SR20

A. Sinan Unur writes:

I have a feeling this is similar to JFK junior's case of not
knowing one's limitations.


Or perhaps knowing that one has limitations but assuming that the
magic safety features of the plane will compensate for them.

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