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McCain in '08
Owen Hiller wrote: gatt wrote: "Owen Hiller" wrote in message ... If you're trying to corner my into defending John Kerry's politics or something, you're barking up the wrong tree. I am not. You wrote that the vietnam veterans who were criticizing Kerry's story just happened to come out at the election time, therefore they only had political motivations. I just pointed out that it was Kerry who brought up Vietnam Ah. And what was SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH doing before Kerry brought up his Swift Boat story? Were they out dutifully purging society of swift boat frauds? What "frauds" are you referring to? Please describe. And who was using said frauds you allege to obtain higher office? A moment ago you were claiming that 'someone' was attempting to diminish Congressman Murtha's past service and sacrifices, A W F E R P E T E S A K E ! ! ! http://www.cnsnews.com/SpecialReport...20060113a.html "Murtha's War Hero Status Called Into Question" Not good enough? ANN COULTER! http://mediamatters.org/items/200512020002 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor...-_b_24751.html If you need to resort to name calling, go right ahead. It might come down to that if you can't accept facts. If you would like, I'll find several posts demonstrating that there's a war on in the middle east and other current events covered all over the mainstream media. Hey, I wasn't the one who couldn't figure out why the swift boat veterans would want to rebut claims AFTER they were made Ann Coulter makes a living by making outrageous statements, so what? Huffington is a liberal axe-grinder, hardly an unbiased source either. And as for your moderate voice article, you did note the word "apoligize," right? The bottom line is that the SBV"t" attacked Kerry's service in Vietnam in a manner that could be described as dishonest. The fact is that the overwhelming majority of guys who were with Kerry (on his boat) or near Kerry (on other boats) in combat, have no problem with Kerry's medals and/or service in Vietnam. The SBV"t" misrepresented the facts. They omitted facts when it suited then, and they spun wildly. Actually, describing it as dishonest would be an understatement. Doug Reese :-) |
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Proposal For A New Rec.Aviation Newsgroup.
Larry Dighera writes:
How do you propose to assure that periodic notices are posted? That sounds like a job for the UNIX 'at' command. http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/so...cripts/faqpost That's what I use. I notice that one of the main features of your script is the use of PGP signature. Is this a requirement for FAQ document articles? It is not; but all of the moderated groups that I run require PGP signatures for anything that's posted to them, as anything that's *not* appropriately PGP-signed is automatically cancelled (and filtered through NoCeM as well). So I put in the effort to make sure that my own FAQs are safe. You can probably ignore that part unless you start doing complicated things. There is also mention of possible difficulties if some of the other message header fields are omitted or incorrectly formatted. Is there documentation describing the requirements for FAQ posting someplace? A quick Google search came up with this: http://www.ii.com/internet/faqs/writing/#writing These aren't requirements, they're just the rules for submitting things through to news.answers. (There's problems with news.answers at the moment, too, so that might not be that helpful; but it's a good introduction.) - Tim Skirvin ) Chair, Big-8 Management Board -- http://www.big-8.org/ Big-8 Management Board http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/ Skirv's Homepage FISH * |
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McCain in '08
wrote:
Owen Hiller wrote: gatt wrote: "Owen Hiller" wrote in message ... If you're trying to corner my into defending John Kerry's politics or something, you're barking up the wrong tree. I am not. You wrote that the vietnam veterans who were criticizing Kerry's story just happened to come out at the election time, therefore they only had political motivations. I just pointed out that it was Kerry who brought up Vietnam Ah. And what was SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH doing before Kerry brought up his Swift Boat story? Were they out dutifully purging society of swift boat frauds? What "frauds" are you referring to? Please describe. And who was using said frauds you allege to obtain higher office? A moment ago you were claiming that 'someone' was attempting to diminish Congressman Murtha's past service and sacrifices, A W F E R P E T E S A K E ! ! ! http://www.cnsnews.com/SpecialReport...20060113a.html "Murtha's War Hero Status Called Into Question" Not good enough? ANN COULTER! http://mediamatters.org/items/200512020002 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor...-_b_24751.html If you need to resort to name calling, go right ahead. It might come down to that if you can't accept facts. If you would like, I'll find several posts demonstrating that there's a war on in the middle east and other current events covered all over the mainstream media. Hey, I wasn't the one who couldn't figure out why the swift boat veterans would want to rebut claims AFTER they were made Ann Coulter makes a living by making outrageous statements, so what? Huffington is a liberal axe-grinder, hardly an unbiased source either. And as for your moderate voice article, you did note the word "apoligize," right? The bottom line is that the SBV"t" attacked Kerry's service in Vietnam in a manner that could be described as dishonest. The fact is that the overwhelming majority of guys who were with Kerry (on his boat) or near Kerry (on other boats) in combat, have no problem with Kerry's medals and/or service in Vietnam. The SBV"t" misrepresented the facts. They omitted facts when it suited then, and they spun wildly. Actually, describing it as dishonest would be an understatement. Agreed. Describing Kerry as dishonest would be a huge understatement. Matt |
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Proposal For A New Rec.Aviation Newsgroup.
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:24:55 -0400, "Morgans"
wrote: "Jim Riley" wrote There was also mention of a a group for the EAA. That might have more potential if those with interested in experimental aviation wanted a more focused group. Get a group too focused and several things happen. It gets a small membership, the signal to noise ratio will end up mostly noise, and after the initial topics the things end up almost deserted. Unfortunately, there would be people join the new group that don't have enough self control to keep from posting political crap. Those exist on nearly every group I've seen. Whether they have an agenda, or they are trolling the effect is the same. Why can't we all just talk about airplanes? Gads! Agreed. I think we have more than enough groups with enough topics already and one more would just dilute the existing ones leaving us with a higher signal to noise ratio. There will always be a signal to noise ratio that rises and falls on any non-moderated group and some moderated ones. They come and go. Ignore 'em and sooner of later they finally get tired or Darwinism cleans the gene pool. Admittedly some come from the shallow end of the pool and will post for the sake of posting whether ignored or not. However those posters tend to follow the groups. Normally a subject line says it all. One look and I know if I want to read it, ignore it, kill file the thread, or killfile the poster. Of all options, new news groups, complaining, arguing with the poster, or the delete key, delete is the easiest, and by far the least stressful. To me another aviation group is just a waste of time and computing resources. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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Proposal For A New Rec.Aviation Newsgroup.
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:42:21 -0400, Roger
wrote: On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:24:55 -0400, "Morgans" wrote: "Jim Riley" wrote There was also mention of a a group for the EAA. That might have more potential if those with interested in experimental aviation wanted a more focused group. Get a group too focused and several things happen. It gets a small membership, the signal to noise ratio will end up mostly noise, and after the initial topics the things end up almost deserted. Quite possibly true. This has happened in several of the rec.aviation.* groups (ballooning, hang-gliding, powerchutes). -- Jim Riley |
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Proposal For A New Rec.Aviation Newsgroup.
"Jim Riley" wrote in message nk.net... On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:42:21 -0400, Roger wrote: On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:24:55 -0400, "Morgans" wrote: "Jim Riley" wrote There was also mention of a a group for the EAA. That might have more potential if those with interested in experimental aviation wanted a more focused group. Get a group too focused and several things happen. It gets a small membership, the signal to noise ratio will end up mostly noise, and after the initial topics the things end up almost deserted. Quite possibly true. This has happened in several of the rec.aviation.* groups (ballooning, hang-gliding, powerchutes). -- Jim Riley I thought about proposing soc.military.missile.pilot but we ran out of posters |
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Proposal For A New Rec.Aviation Newsgroup.
On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 07:50:56 GMT, Jim Riley
wrote: On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:42:21 -0400, Roger wrote: On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:24:55 -0400, "Morgans" wrote: "Jim Riley" wrote There was also mention of a a group for the EAA. That might have more potential if those with interested in experimental aviation wanted a more focused group. Get a group too focused and several things happen. It gets a small membership, the signal to noise ratio will end up mostly noise, and after the initial topics the things end up almost deserted. Quite possibly true. This has happened in several of the rec.aviation.* groups (ballooning, hang-gliding, powerchutes). Pretty much the same in Rec.photo.digital, rec.photo.dslr, and rec.photo.zlr. zlr only gets a token posting, while dslr and digital are almost carbon copies of each other (with a few exceptions) The question to ask is why is a new group or groups being proposed? If it's due to OT posts, political rants which are OT posts, people who cant get along, or just a plain high signal to noise they want to avoid, none of these are valid reasons or will they work. OTOH if there are enough people to make another newsgroup active and viable, that is a topic not now adequately covered it's worth a try, but there are a lot of dead news groups that sounded like a good idea to people at the time. "In general" for most topics we already have too many news groups and another one just dilutes the content on those already in existence. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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